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Family Feud now has eight unique runs, with all of them carried by WNYW/WWOR; I thought the seventh and eighth were repeats of two of the runs until I checked listings and saw each one was a different episode. Has any show ever had more than four runs a day? Insane.
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22 minutes ago, CoopInTheHouse said:
Here’s some syndicated shows that you haven’t heard about but have/will premiere(d) today/this weekend.
In the Reality genre: Storm of Suspicion (from the people who make 48 Hours). Will air weekends.
In the Lifestyle genre, Portia (for some reason). Originally on WAGA FOX 5, but has made its way to FOX Soul.
In the Reality/Crime genre, Fatal Crimes (which I could not find any information about).
Storm of Suspicion is Saturdays at 2 on WLNY. The other two have not been cleared in NYC.
Also, speaking of weekend syndication, it happened at some point last season -- The Good Doctor, which debuted last season, originally had two feeds, one for single run markets and one for double run. At first, double run markets just got the next two episodes each weekend, while single runs just got one, to not mess with the show's heavy continuity in either case. At some point, they changed this so that for double run markets, the "A" episode is a repeat of last weekend's episode, and the "B" is the same episode that single run markets get. I'm guessing they did this either to keep both single and double run markets in sync with each other so the doubles don't get "ahead" (plus they would have looped back to S1 by now since the single run is currently on late S3), or because of how double run markets that might put one of the two runs in an undesirable slot would essentially rob viewers of alternating episodes. WPIX has only been carrying one run though it's pre-empted about half the time by Mets games and CW sporting events.
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And combined with WKRN's deal with the Titans, Nashville will only get Wheel three days a week for its first three weeks; it will miss 40% of its first-run September episodes. That is extreme and shouldn't go unnoticed by Sony or CBSMV.
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1 hour ago, Nelson R. said:
The best way to get around the asinine Wheel rule is for Wheel to move up to 7 and let Jeopardy be the one to replace Daytime Jeopardy although in the case of WTVD it airs in late night.
That will only lead to more outcry from viewers especially in markets where DJ! airs overnight like WABC. It is a fair approach for markets that air DJ! in the afternoon, though I think it would be better, for the sake of messing with only one first-run show and not two, to just show Wheel in place of Daytime J! the day of or the next day, so J! fans don't go, "What do you mean Jeopardy! aired a few hours ago? I missed it because of you moving up Wheel of Fortune?!" We know most J! fans don't care for Wheel unlike the other way around. There was a time in 2020 where WTHR accidentally aired the two shows in reverse order (J! first instead of second) and realized it mid-show and ran a crawl announcing that J! would continue in the 7:00 slot and Wheel would air at 7:30. Indy J! fans on Twitter were ticked that they missed it and some even demanded that they air the episode again in place of Wheel the next day (obviously, they didn't).
That being said, KPTH-DT3 (formerly KMEG) did this when TNF was on CBS and managed not to break Wheel's rules. They're one of the few Big 3's in the Central Time Zone that aired J! at 6:00 PM instead of news, so on TNF days, J! would move up to 4:30 (where much of CTZ airs it) and Wheel would move up to 6:00, and they would air a special promo announcing such: "Your favorite game shows, just a little earlier". KAUZ also did this during March Madness (moved primary J! up from 4:30 to 4:00 to replace DJ!, and Wheel to 4:30) until CBS Media Ventures stopped them.
The O&O's also don't use the Localish subchannel anymore for Wheel or J!. WABC, WTVD, and WPVI used to use it more often than not when needed; WLS I don't believe ever did. I think a more fair solution for the O&O's would have been to air impacted Wheels the next day at 10 AM after Live! and cut down the new 10 AM newscasts to half an hour on those days only. Cutting an hour newscast in half to accommodate a syndie isn't unheard of; WLUK frequently cuts down its 5:00 newscast to air Wheel an hour early when pre-empted by FOX sports (even when both Wheel and J! are impacted).
The Wheel premiere is also pre-empted on WIVB and WROC since the Bills are playing and they air specials just about any time the Bills are in the spotlight. Not a huge loss for WIVB since they're a duopoly with WNLO, but WROC frequently bumps Wheel overnight. J! is impacted by this on the much smaller WETM (moves to 18.2).
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Yes, I've been meaning to mention this. ABC is dropping a huge bomb on the access syndies with this new MNF pregame, especially Wheel because of the O&O's and because of its prime access/one feed only rules.
I imagine Wheel wasn't aware of this until it was too late, but considering the first three Mondays have MNF on ABC (with 9/25 having a game that starts at 7:00), they really should have pushed back the season premiere (which would have also pushed back Pat Sajak's final week so that it won't overlap with NBA Finals and result in pre-emptions on the West Coast). The bigger issue here is that assuming the MNF deal is the same next year, Ryan Seacrest's first episode will very likely suffer this same problem and be pre-empted in about a third of the US (counting the West Coast).
I did the math and Wheel is impacted by the new pregame show in about 2.5x the areas J! is. The biggest market where J! is impacted is DC (WJLA). And in the case of J!, at least they'll likely re-air the missed episodes in a few months on Daytime J!, and ET also offers an overnight or next-morning encore (and every segment goes on the YouTube channel anyway). Wheel offers neither of these. ET is also not restricted to prime access, nor is J! in the Central Time Zone. There will also be some affiliates that opt to replace Wheel with J!, one of them being WRIC.
At this point, Wheel being forced to air in prime access with not even temporary exceptions allowed, plus still only having one feed a day (when even Who The Bleep, despite its low clearance, has two, when the number of markets carrying both feeds can be counted on one hand, even NYC is only carrying one), is only hurting it more than it's helping it. These rules are only still in place because it had these rules to avoid competing with the NBC/CBS daytime version that hasn't aired since 1991. All four networks are finding more reasons to start primetime at 7:00 or 7:30 on special occasions. ABC has Day 2 of the NFL Draft, the CMA Red Carpet on O&O and Nexstar stations, and now national MNF days, CBS has March Madness, FOX has World Series pregame, NBC has The Olympic Zone and the Hall of Fame and NFL Kickoff pregame.
Wheel's rules really need to change. It makes no sense in cases like WFTV where they air Daytime J! at 3:30 and first-run J! and 7:00 but Wheel is forced to air at midnight on a Saturday night. They should be allowed to have Wheel replace Daytime J! either day-of or the next day. And with some markets now carrying Feud up to eight or even NINE (Denver) times a day despite "only" six unique feeds, a second Wheel feed (maybe a Dr. Phil-style rerun package of Pat's last few seasons after Ryan takes over?) would get eaten up, especially since the general public doesn't really know when Wheel is new or a repeat.
It's sad that ABC is suddenly treating Wheel like this. This is far worse than when Thursday Night Football came about on CBS and NBC since more and larger markets are affected.
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On 8/24/2023 at 10:22 PM, jerseyfla said:
Jeopardy has always been screwed badly timeslot-wise in Central and Mountain Time Zone Markets except for Fox affiliates (i.e. WVUE and WALA) or now KTVT and WDJT. Those of us in the Eastern or Pacific Time Zones are so used to Wheel and Jeopardy being in tandem with each other whether on the same station or separate that it's almost unfathomable to not watch Jeopardy at night over dinner or after it.
Jeopardy! does have some benefits in the CT/MT zones. Aside from getting it earlier than larger ET/PT markets, several of them are able to double-run it in the 3 or 4 PM hour, and unlike Wheel which is forced to be slotted in prime access with rarely any exception, they never have to worry about getting pre-empted by sporting events, pregame shows, debates, or some random local telethon or special that the station is looking to produce. Pretty much the only afternoon pre-emptions for J! are tennis and golf on NBC, and Black Friday college football on CBS and ABC. Even during the Olympics, J!'s typical 4/4:30 PM CT is in the open window between Olympic broadcasts that's meant for 5:00 newscasts in ET, but in many cases, Wheel is forced to take two weeks off if the affiliate opts to air The Olympic Zone (CBS MV will not allow them to move Wheel up to 4:00 or 4:30 to replace half of a J! double run, which is silly).
If it weren't for Wheel still being forced to be slotted in prime access with just one single run (both clauses being leftovers from when it was also a daytime show to avoid competition or confusion between the two versions), I think many CT/MT affiliates would jump at the opportunity to put Jeopardy! at 6:30 and Wheel sometime in the afternoon or even late morning, if they were allowed to do so. At least then, us Wheel fans would have an early opportunity besides the blurry recordings of CJON's airings that show up on YouTube by 4:30 ET.
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Or it could be that WPIX had a conflict with a Mets game.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think WABC has locally aired a MNF game since a Jets/Eagles game in December 2019.
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So with Rachael Ray leaving, what is the likelihood of WABC and WPVI moving GH back to 2:00 and either adding a 3:00 newscast, or adding a 10:00 AM newscast with Tamron Hall moving to 2:00 or 3:00?
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In NYC, Big Bang Theory is moving from WNYW/WWOR to WPIX starting 9/4. Saw a promo for it on the latter this afternoon.
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WDAF in Kansas City has temporarily moved Wheel of Fortune to 1:00 AM due to the Chiefs being in the Super Bowl. It returns to the normal time on Saturday (one day before the big game, funny enough).
https://fox4kc.com/news/red-day-specials-move-wheel-of-fortune/
Doing this for an entire week seems pretty extreme. They also did this in 2020 and 21. Do any other stations ever move or pre-empt syndies for a week or more for planned stuff like this? I remember in 2019, WXIA shifted Wheel to WATL for the entire week leading up to that year's Bowl since Atlanta was hosting the game.
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On 2/1/2023 at 11:52 PM, Superdude said:
Also, the same station that chose to air kelly clarkson at 3am in favor of Right This Minute at 1pm.
Another oddity with WPXI: They swapped Wheel and Jeopardy! back in July, but starting in September, Jeopardy! moved back to 7:00 on Saturdays only, and the Saturday run of Wheel got relegated to 4:30 AM Saturday morning. At first, this was done to accommodate local program "The Jerome Bettis Show" and NBC's package of Notre Dame Football games which start at 7:30. Now that NFL season's come and gone, Jeopardy! is still airing at 7:00 on Saturdays and 7:30 is now random specials or infomercials, with Wheel still airing at 4:30 AM.
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On 1/11/2023 at 8:22 PM, TVNewsLover said:
Wonder if KTRK will pick up Wheel.
Not unless Wheel's prime access hour mandate is lifted, which I doubt will ever happen given that the only reason it exists was to avoid being slotted too close to the former NBC/CBS daytime version, which has been gone for over 30 years. Way back when, WPTZ was interested in picking up Wheel but they could only fit it at 5:00 PM. KingWorld said no deal and it went to a competitor (they do carry it today at 7:30).
KTRK would have to truncate the 6:00 newscast which they never like to do. Any time the ABC O&O's put out a special that pre-empts Wheel on the other O&O's, KTRK airs it 3:30 to pre-empt Inside Edition before all the news. They also do not carry the CMA Red Carpet special that ABC feeds to the O&O's just before the ceremony (similar to how the NBC O&O's start Rockefeller Center Christmas Celebration at 7 instead of 8).
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On 9/16/2022 at 10:14 PM, DENDude said:
2:00PM American Housewife (Replaces a Jeopardy repeat), 2:30PM Modern Family (Replaces another Jeopardy re-peat & moves over from KTVD)
Are you sure KWGN double-ran J! at 2:00 and 2:30? That would mean the KDVR/KWGN duopoly carried three runs of J! total, which CBSMV doesn't offer.
On 9/8/2022 at 11:22 PM, Matt S. said:WFTV - The Good Doctor comes to Saturday nights starting 9/19 (signifigantly out of order due to the conners and the abc fall preview, and then Jeopardy and WoF).
What does this mean? Is Conners in syndication already? And I thought WFTV was airing WOF/J! Weekend Sundays at 5:00 and 5:30 PM during football season (with WOF first instead of J! likely because they would rather WOF be the show that gets JIP'd after WNBA or MLS overrun than J!; they were reversed last season).
Also, speaking of Good Doctor, it is part of the CW+ lineup weekends at 7 PM, replacing MacGyver. There appear to be two feeds of TGD similar to what they did for Schitt's Creek: one feed for markets that only air one unique ep per weekend, and one for markets that air two episodes per weekend.
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9-1-1 has not been cleared in NYC. WCBS got Magnum P.I. at 12:05 AM, and Major Crimes replaces Bull at 2:05. The latter will also air in random weekend afternoon slots on WLNY.
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9 hours ago, H-Town TV Fan said:
If that weren't weird enough, how about Daytime "Jeopardy!" in late night? KTRK in Houston has got you covered.
A lot of affiliates do that, including some of the ABC O&O's. WABC airs it at 2:37 AM. WPVI does not carry it anymore since they start their morning news at 4:00 AM (WABC starts it at 4:30) so there's no room in the overnight lineup for it. KGO added it this past season at 4:00 AM. KABC does not carry it, but it's only a matter of time before they decide to drop the last remaining portion of ABC World News Now on the lineup and need something to replace it with.- 1
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^ At this rate, I won't be surprised if by the end of the decade, J! is offered up to a quad run and Wheel is still one single run restricted to the prime access hour.
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On 8/13/2022 at 12:11 PM, nycnewsjunkie said:
Awful Announcing reports that in 2023, CBS will keep its 3:30pm SEC window to fulfill its remaining broadcast commitments to that conference. CBS’ final year of the SEC will be concurrent with their first year of Big Ten football.
Is there any chance that CBS will extend the scheduled end time to 7:30 or 8:00? CBS has the worst on-time performance of CFB broadcasts because, no matter what time the game ends, they will always do roughly 10 minutes of the Rocket Post Game Show. Most commonly, I notice the game itself ends around 6:55, but affiliates will not begin programming until about 7:10. I have been following this for about four years now, always briefly tuning into a CBS affiliate (usually KYW, which does news at 7:00 during CFB season) at 7:00 or 7:05, and only once (not counting days with cancelled games) have I not seen the fourth quarter still in the homestretch or a table of talking heads. Why doesn't CBS just schedule to 7:30 and encourage its affiliates to do 6:00 news at 7:30/6:30c? With the way it is now, news crews always have to wait for everything to finish (unless they prerecord), or whatever program airs at 7:00 (or 7:30 after news in many cases) never airing in its entirety. Other networks generally only do post game shows similar to CBS's if they have a lot of time to fill.
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On 8/23/2022 at 1:03 PM, susquvalleywgal said:
No word yet how WHP will handle them not having Ellen anymore. Last check online with the date of 9/5 has them airing ... The First 48 at 4p. I can't help but to feel this is just a placeholder for something else.
They could always air infomercials in that slot for now... Better that than where they have been airing lately: Between September 1-9, WHP is pre-empting Wheel of Fortune four times for Time Life gospel infomercials! Obviously, Jeopardy! is not affected by this (since affiliates are apparently not allowed to pre-empt J! but not Wheel, and if they have to, J! needs to move to the Wheel slot). No sign of this continuing after the season premiere at least, but still, even if it's in repeats, pre-empting a Top 5 syndicated program four times in a week and a half over shows that are leaving feels like it shouldn't be allowed. Could this be a Sinclair thing? They already do this a lot with WOF on Saturdays but not right now since College Football on CBS means the Rocket Post Game Show always causes the 7:00 slot to get JIP'd.
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The Good Doctor officially begins its run in syndication starting September 17. Although it does appear the Castle and Wipeout reruns are ending (the latter is no longer even carried by WABC, apparently replaced with Entertainers with Byron Allen and repeats of random O&O specials), TGD will not be going to the ABC O&O's. In NYC, WPIX will air TGD Saturdays at 3 PM, although Xfinity only lists it for the 17th so far and not the 24th. Also no ep info but it will surely be S1 E1.
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On 8/29/2022 at 7:24 PM, iron_lion said:
I'm surprised to see syndicated Dateline on an NBC O&O rather than the, CW or My Network Tv. That's how you know the station is running out of proramming options. I recall in the years after Passions was canceled, WNBC really struggled to fill the 2 pm slot, in addition to the 11 am and 12 pm slots.
Despite the O&O's using Dateline as a replacement for Ellen, it looks like Dateline will still be part of the MNT primetime lineup, but not the same episodes fed for local syndication. Dateline is still listed on WWOR primetime after 9/12.
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On 8/25/2022 at 7:53 AM, Georgie56 said:
It looks like, unlike Ellen, Jennifer will offer a second run, leaving Wheel as the only first-run daily syndie that still does not do a second run at all, all because of its former daytime version that's been off the air waves since 1991.
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7 hours ago, lugnuts6 said:
I've seen a commercial on WILX TV the Gray Television NBC Lansing station where it looks as if their 4pm show "STUDIO10" is about to be shown the door and daytime replays of Jeopardy and Wheel will take over at 4 starting in September when NBCNews Daily debuts at 1 any confirms
Are you sure about Wheel? Wheel has never offered a second run. One was almost rolled out in the 2012-13 season, but it would have had a rule that it could not be paired with the daytime Jeopardy! run.
Assuming Wheel is still strictly single-run, maybe WILX could use this opportunity to bring back 25 Words or Less after they dropped it this past season and no competitors grabbed it, AFAIK. Or they could move up Kelly Clarkson from its graveyard 3 AM slot.
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In Syracuse, Jennifer Hudson has been picked up by WSYT FOX 68. This will be their first talk show in a long time. Currently, the WSYT FOX/MyTV duopoly consists entirely of sitcoms, pretty much all the court shows, and Wheel and Jeopardy!.
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It looks like WCAU had been planning to air a "Best of" special of the concert tonight at 7:30. Presumably due to the events, it reverted back to the regularly-scheduled Access Hollywood.
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Reportedly, there will also be one exclusively for LA and SF.
The NY/PHL episode aired at 6:30 PM ET on both affiliates, with the latter preceded by a special introduction from the host of "The ClassH Room" which normally airs in that slot on WTXF. Listings had the episode listed as another airing of that day's regular A run episode.