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And here is a promo for a KCRA newscast in spring 2000.  This was right when the station unveiled a new set and began using its customized version of the B Package, but continued using the pre-Hearst graphics.  I wonder if at that time only the opens and talent rejoins were from camera v2 and everything else stayed as is until the fall of 2000 when everything was updated to camera v2.

This thread has not been active for a year.  But I found two other KOAT newscasts, one from mid-October 2003 and the other from early October 2004.

• The 2003 newscast features KOAT's unusual variation of the camera v2 graphics, and it was two-and-a-half months before the station began using the NewsMusic Central package
• The newscast from 2004 was when KOAT was already using the rings graphics, but the weather segments continued using camera v2 for a short while.

And...I also had a dream one night that I was watching a KOAT newscast from 2021.  The station was still using camera v2, Image News, their 1999 set; and Mike Lewis still provided the voice-overs.

I was speaking with someone who used to work for KOAT, and from what he told me, the station started using "Image News" and the H-A graphics around December 1999; but due to technical difficulties, it would sometimes be mixed up with the pre-Hearst graphics, and some newscasts used "The One and Only".

3 minutes ago, oknewsguy said:

Wasn't WESH still with the V1 version on the L3rds or was that something else? It looks like V1 just from the thumbnail of the video alone but I could be wrong

I think it could've been a short-lived variation of the v1 L3s, originally meant for V2.  If you notice, the blue area looks a bit more "3D-ish" and it's a different shade of blue (looks kind of lavender blue) than what v1 used.  I suggest watching the entire clip, not just look at the thumbnail.

4 minutes ago, oknewsguy said:

Which KOCO was pretty much in the same boat as WCVB, having the Camera V2 graphics but some parts of it were still V1.

 

In the case with KOCO, only the L3s and weather graphics were from camera v1; all other graphics such as news topics, split-screens, and other graphics were from camera v2.  And this was pretty much the case with any Hearst station that started using camera v2 in 1998 or 1999, as the L3s that would eventually be updated for camera v2 were introduced around 2000.   But here's an interesting case with WESH.

2 hours ago, oknewsguy said:

I believe KOCO got them just before WCVB got theirs. Here's WCVB from roughly the same period (about a month after KOCO received theirs) it's possible though that CVB could've gotten the Camera 2.0 graphics in the Summer of 1998 before KOCO got theirs (in all likelihood because KOCO was just recovering from a tornado that damaged their studio about 3 months prior to receive the Camera Mandate 2.0 graphics

 

I saw that newscast, and only the opens and talent rejoins were from camera v2; all other graphics were from camera v1.  I believe WCVB completed the transition to camera v2 around 1999, although they didn't get the updated L3s until they debuted a new set in March 2000.

And I even found out that WTAE received the updated L3s for camera v2 sometime in January 2000.  Perhaps some stations like WAPT received these L3s before WTAE got them.

Here's part of KOAT newscast from October 2004, so my guess is they started using the rings graphics around September of that year (about the same time as WESH).

Here is part of a KOCO newscast from 1998 back when they first started using camera 2.0

Correct me if I'm wrong but could KOCO have been the first HA station to use camera 2.0 and not WCVB?

And here's another KOCO newscast from September of '98

3 minutes ago, Info Junkie said:

Some sites don’t update as quick as their on air look. For example, WNYT kept its 1997-era logo on its website 3 months past their August 2004 refresh.

All I know is that KOAT started using the rings graphics sometime in the fall of 2004, but its website still used camera 2.0 until April 2006 when it was rebranded as koat.com (it was initially thenewmexicochannel.com)

4 hours ago, Conrad said:

I looked at the WayBack Machine, and thanks to it we bring you some dates for when each of these stations introduced the ring graphics:

 

• WESH: September 2004
• WBAL: between October and December 2004
• WCVB: February 2005
• WTAE, WISN, KOCO: April 2005
• KCRA, KETV: Spring 2005
• WDSU: Mid-2005

Did you find it in the videos section?

Also, we should look for dates for when KOAT and KMBC started using the ring graphics.

On 11/22/2019 at 6:09 PM, Conrad said:

Looks like no reply yet, but I would like to add:

 

WCVB received updated "floating logo" opens in 2009 and 2011. However I would like to know exact dates in those years.

 

Also, when was the "#" added in front of "WCVB" in their diagrid bug?

 

And when in 2003 was WCVB's slogan changed from "Coverage You Can Count On" to "Local Live Coverage You Can Count On"?

 

Side note: Interesting that KCCI used both Image News and B Package/Revolution at the same time.  I wonder if they used one or both for closes. Also, did WDSU use talent opens during the camera/B Package era, and did KOAT use talent opens between 1999 and 2004? I know they did late in the camera era in 2004, when they were using the NMC music package and weird opens for Hearst-Argyle at the time.

To answer your questions:

1) WCVB added the hashtag in front of the call letters in 2014.

2) I think it was the middle of 2003 when WCVB slightly modified its "Coverage You Can Count On" slogan by adding "Local Live" before CYCCO; it was months before the station switched from Image News to the NewsMusic Central package.

3) There was one KCCI newscast from 2002 where Image News was used in the open, but the rest of the broadcast (commercial outros, talent opens, and the close) used the B Package.

4) And yes, KOAT did use talent opens between 1999 and 2004.  In fact there's an excerpt of an early 2001 newscast, and it starts at the end of the talent rejoin.  

And there's also a video of a KOAT newscast from 2003 when they were using their unusual variation of the camera graphics, before they switched to the NMC package.

On 10/30/2019 at 6:40 PM, Conrad said:

Sorry to bump, but I thought I read somewhere that WPBF got the ring graphics alongside the Newsmusic Central package in 2004?

 

Timeline of Hearst graphics:

November 1995: Camera v1 (on WCVB), retired 1998

Late 1997: Camera v2 (on WISN). B Package/Revolution first appeared in fall 1998 on KOCO, and updated opens (including talent opens) were introduced on KCRA around April 2000 alongside B Package Series 3. Image News Series 5 and 6 debuted later that year on KMBC. Retired 2005/2006.

2002: WMUR/KITV Camera, retired on KITV in 2005 and replaced by Ring. On WMUR, it received updates in later years, starting with a major update in 2005 before it was retired in 2011

April 2004: Ring (on WESH and WLWT), although the Newsmusic Central package was intoduced four months before in December 2003. Retired September 2012, on WMTW

February 2007: Floating Logo (on KCRA), retired 2014, on WMUR

July 2012: Diagrid v1, on WESH, with WBAL getting it the following day, still in use on WMUR

January 2018: Diagrid v2

I also remember seeing a promo for WPBF news from around 2004, and while they were using the Newsmusic Central package, they still had the camera v2 graphics.

Camera v2 I think actually debuted in the fall 1998 on WCVB, and then WTAE, KOCO, KMBC, WLWT, and WBAL  switched to those graphics later that year.  KOCO and WLWT debuted B Package (now revolution) at that time as well.  WISN and WPBF switched to camera v2 in early 1999, then followed by WESH, KSBW, WPTZ, WAPT, and KOAT in late 1999/early 2000.  Most of the ex-Pulitzer stations debuted camera v2 in the fall of 2000.  Interestingly, KMBC continued using camera v2 until the fall of 2005, and then debuted their own variation ring.

KOAT began using the rings graphics in late 2004, although they switched over from Image News to the Newsmusic Central package in January of that year.  I believe WYFF also began using ring around the same time.

As previously mentioned, KOAT switched to floating logo in April 2008, five months before getting a new set (the design is identical to the sets WCVB and WTAE in 2007).

WMUR started using its variation of diagrid v2 I think earlier this year.

Diagrid v2 debuted on NBC stations in January 2018 starting with WESH.  KCCI and WLKY got these graphics in March; and finally the ABC stations switched to Diagrid v2 in April.

Here's an article about the new set in DC; Norah got a glimpse, but it's still under construction.   So I suppose the CBS Evening News is going to move to Washington next month sometime probably, if not the end of this month.

https://www.newscaststudio.com/2019/10/19/cbs-evening-news-dc-studio-preview/

KOAT got the floating logo graphics around the spring of 2008, a few months before getting a new set.  And they began broadcasting in widescreen SD in the summer of 2010.  I think 2017 was when KOAT started broadcasting in HD.

A few years ago, I remember seeing a video of a WPBF newscast from around 2006, and they were still using the camera graphics.  But by that time almost all the other Hearst stations were already using the rings graphics.  Perhaps WPBF was one of the last stations to receive the updated graphics at the time (most stations continued using the camera graphics into 2005 but got the rings graphics later that same year). 

WPBF also debuted the floating logo graphics rather late; they were introduced in September 2009 on the same day they rolled out a new set. 

I still want you to give me the NewsActive3 compilation showing WCVB's "transition" opens (camera graphics with Newsmusic Central package). There seems to be no other signs of it on YouTube.

Found a WCVB newscast from early 2004 from when they were using the camera mandate with the Newsmusic Central package.

But around early 2000, the L3s were updated to match the rest of the package. I'm not sure which station was the first to use these L3s and I'm also not sure if it was actually very late 1999 that these debuted (but then rolled out to the other stations in 2000).

WTAE from around 1999. The first two years with the second generation camera mandated graphics, the L3s from the first generation are retained.

KSBW in 2000. If you notice, only the talent rejoins and news opens at that time were from the camera mandate. Everything else was from their 1997 graphics package. But sometime later that year they completed the switchover.

In 2000. The NMSA says KOAT got Image News in 1998, which is incorrect.

But isn't it possible that KOAT used Image News in tandem with The One And Only from the end of 1999 until early 2000, using the pre-Hearst graphics and the camera mandate in tandem with one another (only the news opens and talent rejoins being the camera mandate and everything else in the pre-HA graphics - I noticed that's what KSBW did the first few months they used Image News)? Also, Conrad, didn't you live in Albuquerque or New Mexico at that time? If so do you also remember when in the fall of 1999 KOAT got its first H-A mandated set (it looked very similar to the one WTAE used from 1999 to 2007)? Or did you use to work for Hearst-Argyle?

if I remember correctly KOAT got rid of the camera madate around 2003 but kept "Image News" until KOAT got the Newsmusic Central package (initially with the WTNCF signature despite having the "Coverage You Can Count On" slogan until KOAT switched to the CYCCO signature in 2005.

Actually KOAT used the CYCCO signature the entire time they had the NewsMusic Central package (I've seen YouTube vídeos of KOAT newscasts from 2004 before they switched to the rings graphics). Only the talent rejoins used the WTNCF signature at the time.

Actually, KOAT used their own variations of the camera graphics between 2003 and 2004. In 2004, KOAT got the Newsmusic Central package, and KOAT also got the ring graphics later that year.

Do you (or anyone) remember when KOAT first got the camera graphics and Image News?

I live in Oklahoma City (KOCO) and they debuted the Camera mandate when they updated it in 1998 (of course they went from "5 News" to "Eyewitness News 5" that year) and they kept it till 2005 and they continued to use "Revolution (a.k.a B Package) until 2005 when they finally switched to the NewsMusicCentral package.

 

What's so strange about KOCO is they held on to the "Camera Graphics" and "B Package" until 2 years after WESH in Orlando were the first Hearst-owned station to debut that graphics/music package yet it only took 8 months before KOCO got the diagrid graphics and "Strive" in April 2013 (also they dropped the "Eyewitness News 5" moniker in favor of "KOCO 5 News" when they got the new graphics and music in 2013)

Wasn't KOCO the only Hearst station not to use the NewsMusicCentral package while still using the camera mandate (in other words they began using the NewsMusicCentral package and the ring graphics at the same time)?

WCVB was the first H-A station with the ring graphics. They introduced it in December 2003.

Interesting, because on a collection of news opens from NewsActive3, I came across a WCVB open which used the NewsMusicCentral package but still had the camera graphics. Maybe they got the NewsMusicCentral package a few months before the rings graphics.

Initially I thought WESH was the first H-A station with the rings package. Afterall, they were the first one with the diagrid package and Strive; and they were also the first ex-Pulitzer station to use the camera graphics in 1999.