who?cares 253 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Giant Octopus has updated their site, with a couple new projects on there, i personally like the WSJV package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qunewsguy 376 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Not too bad... I especially like the older work. And even moreso, the fact that their samples are actually in HD resolution. The minute details in KTVT's look are amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caliwxdude 252 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 Gee... I'm sure WABC likes to see their talent open style duplicated on a crappy Fox affiliate in DMA #89, which was in turn a rip of the package they did for WRAL. I hope at least WSJV got the discount for buying in bulk. "We're Giant Octopus, the Sam's Club of news graphics!" Come on, Giant Octopus: we've seen this already. Where's the originality? Oh wait, that's right... it's being directed at the porn site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Lampstein 6 Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 The Powerball graphics look absolutely NOTHING like the Media General package with WABC's color scheme... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qunewsguy 376 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 Hey, for $15k I'd spring for the WISH-TV package. At least that one's got a little bit of style to it. If only there was $15k anywhere in this year's budget... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeters 1811 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 The Powerball graphics look absolutely NOTHING like the Media General package with WABC's color scheme... No not at all. Also this is not totally a horrible parody of the old WBBM/current KDKA graphics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
who?cares 253 Posted February 4, 2009 Author Share Posted February 4, 2009 Hey, for $15k I'd spring for the WISH-TV package. At least that one's got a little bit of style to it. If only there was $15k anywhere in this year's budget... It kinda saddens me that the WISH package is now syndicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qunewsguy 376 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 It kinda saddens me that the WISH package is now syndicated. Well to be honest it's the perfect syndication candidate. Very little local imagery, only one background element to swap out. Most of these custom packages are only promised as "custom" for a certain amount of time anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsguy 0 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I find it kind of sad...GO is basically nothing but middlemen, outsourcing everything to freelancers and other companies...I find it sad also that they are taking credit for Regis and Kelly when all they did was outsource it to Big Machine Design...here's the article http://dmnnewswire.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=627446 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qunewsguy 376 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 I find it kind of sad...GO is basically nothing but middlemen, outsourcing everything to freelancers and other companies...I find it sad also that they are taking credit for Regis and Kelly when all they did was outsource it to Big Machine Design...here's the article http://dmnnewswire.digitalmedianet.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=627446 Buuuuuurned. Maybe GO should just go away! Porn sites, outsourcing, undercutting on prices for things nobody at the group probably even created in the first place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou grant 0 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Why would you take credit for (and run print ads bragging about) a job you had nothing to do with. Doing graphics for Al Jazeera, pornography...(http://www.strobemagazine.com) and now, putting your name on work you didn't do. A new low, in my opinion...even for GO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMA 135 Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 How is designing graphics for Al-Jazeera bad? It's a legitimate news organization, unlike Press TV... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstNews8 13 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I seem to miss why people are griping over this. What GO does is basically all the other hard work. They do have designers not necessarily working directly for them, but GOs job is very important. They are basically the "sales" dept. of each designer. They do the work of getting the material sold to tv stations, sent, and pay for the internet space where the content is sent. This is a big relief for designers. GOs designers dont have to go into work everyday. And instead of GO having to pay a single, or 3 or 4 designers to work every week day, like VDO I believe, and some other companies, GO pays them on a "package basis", this saves money, especially in times like these. What this does is allow the tv station and/or GO to be able to pick a certain designer, and have a fairly wide variety of choices. If you look at VDO packages, there isnt a wide variety of difference in graphics, like GO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qunewsguy 376 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I think it's more like somebody foisted Giant Octopus' once-good name and capitalized on it knowing it had a decently sized client base built in. The stuff they're doing with their own staff these days (i.e. the few things not being outsourced to other fully-fledged design houses) is complete crap. It's no small wonder they can sell them for $15k a pop. If they weren't trying to take complete credit for things it wouldn't be such a big issue for me. But not everybody knows that GO is outsourcing. So when they think they're paying GO for work it's really being farmed out by someone you just paid to do your own farmed out work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
l14dap 1 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 I think it's more like somebody foisted Giant Octopus' once-good name and capitalized on it knowing it had a decently sized client base built in. The stuff they're doing with their own staff these days (i.e. the few things not being outsourced to other fully-fledged design houses) is complete crap. It's no small wonder they can sell them for $15k a pop. If they weren't trying to take complete credit for things it wouldn't be such a big issue for me. But not everybody knows that GO is outsourcing. So when they think they're paying GO for work it's really being farmed out by someone you just paid to do your own farmed out work. I don't know... maybe it's just the Business/Accounting student in me coming out right now, but I still don't see why it's a big deal that GO outsources. In fact, I think it's a phenomenal idea. A construction company I worked for a few years back operates using a similar model-- where people hire us for a job, and all we do is outsource particular aspects of the work to other local companies that have expertise in that area. A representative from my company is there to oversee the whole process to make sure the outsourcers (the co's actually performing the work) are working in tandem to meet our deadline that we establish and pass on to the customer. And yes, we do take credit for the work in the end. But back to GO, it does come with it's own risks for them-- mainly that if their "outsourcer" can't deliver, GO is the one that looks bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsguy 0 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 They sure like to rip off Troika they should pay them some royalties for stealing so much stuff: compare WHAS to Troika's Court TV http://www.troika.tv/work/5.47 compare Powerball to Troika's NFL Total Access http://www.troika.tv/work/5.35 I'm sure many also remember how they totally ripped Troika's UPN promotions for KOIN TV awhile ago as well... Wow if I was a client paying for "original" design and animation I would want my money back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Que 73 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 Have you ever thought that maybe the client wanted that "look" but didn't want to go to Troika? And since every one is attacking GO because of their outsourced work... If the original company truly had a problem with GO taking credit, then don't you think they wouldn't of done the work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstNews8 13 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 And since every one is attacking GO because of their outsourced work... If the original company truly had a problem with GO taking credit, then don't you think they wouldn't of done the work? BINGO!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lou grant 0 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I have no problem with anyone "outsourcing" work...I have a HUGE problem with people claiming to have done work they didn't do...BMD did the "Regis and Kelly" open, their press release even has "credits", no one from GO is even mentioned in those credits, (maybe they did do a few internal pieces, but they aren't showing internal pieces in their print advertising, only frames from the open)...I don't understand taking credit for work you didn't do. I really don't care that Giant Octopus has gotten into the pornography business...although I don't understand why they deny that they are. Because, if you are "embarrassed" to be a pornographer, why would you produce that kind of material in the first place. Who would do work for Al-Jazeera? Yes they are a legitimate news organization (one with a very Anti-US agenda). I simply don't know many people who would want to be associated with that particular "broadcast group". Everyone has opinions...those are mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTVNews 188 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I'm sure many also remember how they totally ripped Troika's UPN promotions for KOIN TV awhile ago as well... What promos? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FirstNews8 13 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Well... truly.... if the company has a problem with it... thats there problem... GO does the work of going to conventions, advertising and so on... selling the product the designers make... im sure theres terms of agreement the designers sign/accept... GO is a widely known name... thats why designers work for them. As for Al Jazera... WHO CARES? There graphics! Its not like GO is trying to shun the US... Im sure its a way to get there name known worldwide... As for the porn site... I dont know how i feel about that.... But in times like these im sure GO is willing to accept anything. And another job GO does, is act as the technical support team for each TV station.... giving even MORE relief to the designer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsie 11 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Okay, so what if GO is outsourcing. So does Wal-Mart with Great Value. Do you see the companies that actually produce the GV products being credited? No. The average Joe thinks Wal-Mart makes it. At least the firms that GO outsources to are getting paid for their work and I really don't see the issue. Everything, I mean everything, is outsourced today. Why is it a surprise that this industry is following suit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsguy 0 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 They are the Milli Vanilli of design Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMA 135 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Who would do work for Al-Jazeera? Yes they are a legitimate news organization (one with a very Anti-US agenda). I simply don't know many people who would want to be associated with that particular "broadcast group". Oh, right. I've seen Al-Jazeera English, and believe me, it's much more balanced than MSNBC or Fox. Just because they're based out of Doha, doesn't mean that they're anti-American. Why would Sir David Frost, one of the world's most respected journalists, work for them then? Please, it's incredibly ignorant of you to cast something as anti-American, just because they're from the Middle East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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