Guest cfif Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 http://voices.washingtonpost.com/tvblog/2009/07/leno_at_1030.html NBC could wind up bumping Jay Leno's new 10 p.m. talk show to 10:30 p.m., and moving its local stations' 11 p.m. newscasts to 10, former NBC programming chief Garth Ancier forecast. Leno's talker will do okay, ratings-wise, under the current plan to air it at 10, said Ancier, who now heads BBC America. *snip* But NBC stations' 11 p.m. local newscasts could suffer, because so many Leno fans bail after his opening monologue. I think this would be a good move....there'd be more competition at 10pm. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabceyewitness 825 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 http://voices.washingtonpost.com/tvblog/2009/07/leno_at_1030.html I think this would be a good move....there'd be more competition at 10pm. It'll never happen. NBC affiliates will never renegotiate their contracts and give up 11pm to have their already-suffering local news compete with primetime programming. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A3N 1002 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 It's a good idea. The problem that I see with it is that the NBC affiliates local newscasts would have to compete with FOX and some pretty strong indie/CW stations. newscasts at 10pm. Take L.A. for example, would KNBC do well competing against KTTV, KTLA, and KCAL? probably not. In New York, would WNBC be able to beat out WPIX and WNYW? And that is only scratching the surface, can you imagine how much more ratings points Conan O'Brien would lose? I get the idea, it's an interesting concept, but what about moving the local news to 9pm and then starting Jay at 9:30? Then, NBC could fill in the gap with a network show or leave it up to the affiliate to come up with its own programming until Conan comes on? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tw-804 192 Posted July 31, 2009 Share Posted July 31, 2009 It'll never happen. NBC affiliates will never renegotiate their contracts and give up 11pm to have their already-suffering local news compete with primetime programming. I can't picture a 10 o'clock [ET] newscast on NBC. I just can't. Some NBC stations produce 10:00 newscasts for FOX, CW or MyNetworkTV affiliates. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmediaguy 123 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Funny. This is exactly what WHDH/Boston wanted to do, but the network would not permit it. Instead, they were simply going to pre-empt the program entirely. That decision, of course, changed rather rapidly as well. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacksonTV 0 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Didn't NBC try this on the West Coast back in the early 90's? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
who?cares 254 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 I can't picture a 10 o'clock [ET] newscast on NBC. I just can't. Some NBC stations produce 10:00 newscasts for FOX' date=' CW or MyNetworkTV affiliates.[/quote'] They could just put the other newscasts on at 11. Anyway I don't see this working because it'll put the central time on at 9, and that'll leave ABC and CBS competing at 11 and NBC and FOX, CW and MNT newscasts at 10. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
caliwxdude 254 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Didn't NBC try this on the West Coast back in the early 90's? Well, not necessarily on the entire West Coast, but Chronicle Broadcasting did try it with KRON in the early 1990s. NBC prime time programming aired from 7:00 to 10:00pm, with a 30-minute newscast at 10:00 and the Tonight Show at 10:30. IIRC, they had to have an FCC waiver to air the Tonight Show at 10:30pm instead of 11:00. This was in response to KPIX, which had been airing early CBS prime time for a while with an hour-long newscast at 10:00pm with Letterman at 11:00, exactly like present-day KOVR. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbhcity 3 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Didn't NBC try this on the West Coast back in the early 90's? Lol! You're probably thinking of the KRON-TV in San Francisco and the short-lived early prime experiment in 1992 when KRON-TV moved NBC's prime time lineup to 7pm in favor airing NewsCenter 4 at 10pm, that lasted only a year. KPIX did the same that year with an hourlong newscast at 10pm, that lasted until 1998. KOVR in Sacramento, which is a CBS O&O, still does this to this day. KRON was truly a great NBC affiliate, too bad that the station suffered in the hands of greed and acrimony. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evening Magazine 18 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 I think this would be a good move....there'd be more competition at 10pm. Much needed competition. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVNewsLover 782 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Funny. This is exactly what WHDH/Boston wanted to do, but the network would not permit it. Instead, they were simply going to pre-empt the program entirely. That decision, of course, changed rather rapidly as well. Not exactly. WHDH wanted to do an hour long newscast at 10pm (not 35 minutes) and air Leno at 11pm pushing Conan and the rest of the lineup back a half hour. They also contemplated not airing Leno at all. They could just put the other newscasts on at 11. I would assume that the NBC affiliates have contracts/agreements with these CW/MNT affiliates to produce a newscast for them at a certain time. They can't just say, "Oh well, we are going to do our own newscast at 10pm and we're going to push your's back to 11pm." Anyway I don't see this working because it'll put the central time on at 9' date=' and that'll leave ABC and CBS competing at 11 and NBC and FOX, CW and MNT newscasts at 10.[/quote'] Fox/CW/MNT stations in the central time zone that have newscasts air them at 9pm. So news at 9pm is not unheard of, but rather the norm for certain stations in the central time zone. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyewitness_news 5 Posted August 1, 2009 Share Posted August 1, 2009 Big mistake. The move of Leno to 10:30 in favor of the local 10pm news puts NBC affiliates in a position of having to compete with newscasts broadcast by Fox, MyNetwork TV, and CW affiliates respectively in the same market. AFAIK, there is ALREADY a 10pm newscast produced by WHDH since December 19, 2006. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackBauer112 0 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 That could be stressed in a way, but IMHO, 10:30 PM was how KRON did with their early prime experiment back in February 1992 which forced longtime shows Jeopardy! and Wheel of Fortune would be pushed to KGO-TV. KOVR actually started their early prime on the first day they were CBS on March 6, 1995. Those days, KOVR was owned by Sinclair Broadcasting, Sinclair sold KOVR to CBS on May 13, 2005. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAVY 10 Fan 233 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Bad move. Looks like someone in NBC management left their brains at home when they made this decision to pretty much spit in the face of the affiliates. Then again, when has management at NBC used their brains in recent years? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjohnson 17 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 This would play out interestingly in St. Louis. That would put KSDK and KTVI head to head at 9pm. Anybody want to bet on who might win that one? This would be good news for KMOV, would only have to compete with KTVI's "NewsEdge." Under any other ownership, this would be a coup for KDNL as well, but it's not a factor here. It would be interesting to see how FOX/CW stations would fair with a "Big 3" station doing a primetime newscast. Also, how would this play out in Sacramento? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVNewsLover 782 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Bad move. Looks like someone in NBC management left their brains at home when they made this decision to pretty much spit in the face of the affiliates. Bad move? Did you read the article? It doesn't say they are moving the news to 10pm and Leno to 10:30. It doesn't say that NBC management made the decision either. What the article does say is the former NBC programming chief forecasted NBC could wind up doing this. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucc 4 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Isn't this just hypothetical, and not set in stone; So, I don't know why everyone is trying to figure out what their local stations could do?!? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjohnson 17 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 It's hypothetical, but with a certain level of being a credible possibility. This not just spurious speculation. It could happen. With the entire model of TV broadcasting changing so quickly (even more with the current economic conditions), anything is on the table, especially if can generate revenue. So, if you have nothing to add... Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVNewsLover 782 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 It's hypothetical, but with a certain level of being a credible possibility. This not just spurious speculation. It could happen. With the entire model of TV broadcasting changing so quickly (even more with the current economic conditions), anything is on the table, especially if can generate revenue. So, if you have nothing to add... Yeah, the problem is that some people don't read entire threads or articles that the threads are based on. Then they go on posting something that was already said or they go on commenting about something that they only have knowledge about based on the posts before them or the title. So, before you go criticizing someone about their post... Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsguy22 59 Posted August 2, 2009 Share Posted August 2, 2009 Yeah, the problem is that some people don't read entire threads or articles that the threads are based on. Then they go on posting something that was already said or they go on commenting about something that they only have knowledge about based on the posts before them or the title. So, before you go criticizing someone about their post... Not trying to start an Internet war here... just throwing an idea out there... if someone has only done limited research or only have limited knowledge about a subject... why are they offering an opinion on a message board... especially one which takes the opinions of others to task... such as what Bucc did? Not trying to bash anyone. It's just a pet peeve of mine... the double edged sword of freedom of speech and expression. Yes we all have the right to do it... I just wish sometimes our opinions... mine included... were expressed with a bit more thought and research. But I guess that's what makes this country great. Or something. Of course I could be wrong... as they say... opinions are like ***holes... Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucc 4 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Not trying to start an Internet war here... just throwing an idea out there... if someone has only done limited research or only have limited knowledge about a subject... why are they offering an opinion on a message board... especially one which takes the opinions of others to task... such as what Bucc did? Not trying to bash anyone. It's just a pet peeve of mine... the double edged sword of freedom of speech and expression. Yes we all have the right to do it... I just wish sometimes our opinions... mine included... were expressed with a bit more thought and research. But I guess that's what makes this country great. Or something. Of course I could be wrong... as they say... opinions are like ***holes... I'm pretty sure I was just asking is this (Leno at 10:30) just pure speculation or fact? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackBauer112 0 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Also, how would this play out in Sacramento? In Sacto, KOVR (CBS 13 since 2005), KTXL (FOX 40) and KCRA (Longtime big shot news leader) will most likely be competing in the first half of there newscasts (In the 10 PM race, KOVR normally wins it but KTXL sometimes does beat out KOVR by .10th of a point) but KCRA did have a 10 PM newscast back from 1990-1992 before forcing them to move back to 11 PM in the fall of 1992. KOVR did compete against KCRA during the ABC run through March 6, 1995 before they swapped CBS with KXTV 10 (Gannett). Now when Sinclair took over in 1995-96, the 10 PM newscast stood by their ratings and thus, their always up against FOX 40 most of the time with KOVR coming out victorious. Now with KCRA having their news at 10 PM, it will kinda take out KTXL/KOVR's ratings, because KCRA's overinflated and most often bragged "Where The News Comes First" slogan means that they will take most of the ratings out of KOVR and KTXL and thus, this could be a potential ratings threat for the 1st half hour, but later on, KOVR/KTXL will be back taking whoseever ratings in their traditional 10 PM slot for much of their hour. But wait! Since KCRA produces a 10 PM newscast by sister My Network station KQCA-TV, and the fact that KQCA, which slots their My Network Programming from 7-9 PM for the past three years, will move back to 8-10 PM this fall which means that their 10 PM newscast, will likely either simulcast KCRA's 10 PM news with Oprah (Repeat of days episode) to air immediately afterwards, or to a KWGN/KPLR and produce a newscast from 6-8 PM. However, the 7-8 PM slot will be occupied by "The Office" starting September 21st, so my prediction will be that KQCA will have Oprah at 10 PM avoiding conflict with KCRA's supposed to be 10 PM cast and air KQCA's news at 11 PM similar with KCOP in LA. With that being said, KOVR would make some modified tweaks to their newscast in order to make it more competitive. KTXL would also make similar products by modifing their news product as well, but I'm pretty sure they would stay Lezzei-Faire and stay with what they have now. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTVNews 194 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 I love KOVR. I visit Sacramento each year and was just there last week. In fact, a week ago right now I was flying home. Anyways, I love that they have the news at 10 and Letterman at 11. That was I can watch both and not have to go to bed so late! Love it! Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjohnson 17 Posted August 3, 2009 Share Posted August 3, 2009 Yeah, the problem is that some people don't read entire threads or articles that the threads are based on. Then they go on posting something that was already said or they go on commenting about something that they only have knowledge about based on the posts before them or the title. So, before you go criticizing someone about their post... Good point. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackBauer112 0 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I love KOVR. I visit Sacramento each year and was just there last week. In fact, a week ago right now I was flying home. Anyways, I love that they have the news at 10 and Letterman at 11. That was I can watch both and not have to go to bed so late! Love it! KOVR happens to be the best station around in Sacto besides Mr. big-shot KCRA/KQCA. I like the way that they slot Letterman at 11 PM so that I can DVR it after the news. Besides since I'm in the southern part of the market, I can watch KOVR with KTVU's 10 o'clock news since I get KTVU via satellitee. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/5627-nbc-could-move-leno-to-1030/#findComment-52864 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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