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On 2/4/2023 at 6:11 PM, RaleighTVBOI1 said:
Eyewitness News Is now an ABC since all there O&O are most-watched or #1 outright.
To be blunt, would anyone be surprised if ABC winds up wholesale rebranding their O&Os in the same way the CBS O&Os are? As @Weeters brought up to me, Wendy McMahon came to CBS from ABC, and did so after Bob Iger retired. Iger might really not be happy that Chapek just let her walk on over to a competitor the way she did.
Just because Action News is the Delaware Valley’s Leading News Program (Disney has to pay Apollo-Cox for the “Action” name) or Eyewitness News is “News York’s #1 News” (and Disney has to pay Paramount Global for the EWN name) doesn’t mean those names are ironclad. If CBS can get this new branding convention to work, the other three networks will follow. And no station will be immune, brand legacy be darned.
Nothing is ironclad or impenetrable. It might even be the reason why the ABC O&O graphic redo has been placed on hold indefinitely…
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2 minutes ago, ColtFromGulfcoast said:
Okay but a vast number of CBS stations and indeed a number of stations owned by Gray in general don't brand with the network.
As long as Gray keeps paying those checks for reverse comp, WANF should be fine.
Again, it misses the larger point: CBS has a stand-alone in a top 10 market that is poised to dump the CW anyway and become an independent. They are not going to keep running WUPA as a pass-through independent in the long-term.
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3 hours ago, CircleWXYZ said:
Heard a 9 am and 12 pm newscasts are coming.
Zap2It is now showing that the noon debuts next Monday
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8 minutes ago, mre29 said:
By that logic, WFSB in Hartford (also a Gray station acquired from Meredith) is going to drop CBS, too -- its website is also missing the network's logo.
Here’s the thing:
CBS has a station in Atlanta which is currently an affiliate of the CW (and possibly could be going indie). They aren’t going to keep the running the station as a stand-alone indie in a top 10 market. Nor do they have anyone to sell it to (friendly reminder that this is no longer a buyer’s market for TV stations or for large-scale M&As).
Given that WWJ-TV is merely simulcasting an OTT/SVOD with a smattering of syndication and CBS programming, it’s not TOO outside the box to see CBS make WUPA, WTOG and KSTW in-house CBS O&Os. And even that LPTV in Indianapolis, WBXI-CD. Sure, CBS could use WTOG, WBXI-CD and KSTW as bargaining chips to get further established stations—and they probably will—but WWJ-TV and CBS News Detroit might be giving them a road map for the future that’s already under all of our noses.
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7 hours ago, DirtyHarry said:
3. With the Atlanta rumors, maybe they should have held on to some of those CW stations they previously divested. Like Providence, Columbus and Indianapolis. CBS News Providence? CBS News Indianapolis?
CBS still has that LPTV in Indianapolis. Just saying…
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12 hours ago, CircleWXYZ said:
I think CBS News Detroit is doing way better than what anyone anticipated. WWJ is obviously targeting a whole new audience and a lot of people are tuning in. That interview from TVnews.net really spoke volumes.
The times I’ve watched the 62 simulcasts, I’ve been struck at how they deliberately pace stories and allowing them to breathe. It’s the polar opposite of most other newscasts in the entire industry but at the same time, it’s like they watched that 1980 aircheck of WABC Eyewitness News @HulkieDhas cited in the past as recommended viewing for TV executives and copiously took notes.
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1 hour ago, T.L. Hughes said:
Speaking of, when does WWJ plan to begin offering regular weekend newscasts? For that matter, when will production of WKBD’s 10:00 p.m. newscast be transferred from KTVT to the in-house operation?
Wasn’t local production of Detroit Now already switched over to 62/50? I’m not sure most people would be able to see the difference anyway.
The timeline for buildout appears to be: add the 4pm, then the noon (and 7pm?) and then weekend evenings… then buildout weekday mornings, with weekend mornings as the last piece.
Going by the original “40 hours a week” projection for CBS News Detroit simulcasts on 62, WWJ stands to have local news from 4:30–7am, 9–9:30am, noon—12:30pm, 4–6:30pm, 7–7:30pm and 11–11:35pm on weekdays, two hours on Saturday and Sunday morning and the 6 and 11 on weekends.
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5 hours ago, Tyler said:
It wouldn’t make sense to use black/gold in a newsroom shot and blue elsewhere.
Are we even sure that this is any part of the graphics package they’ll be using? It looks like an in-house mod of the logo just for that specific shot. There’s no L3 or bugs to speak of.
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On 2/2/2023 at 8:27 PM, NewEgg00 said:
Well, the black and gold remains. Congrats to y'all black and gold fans.
Where are we drawing this conclusion? Because there's a gold ring around the transitional logo in that first picture that can be easily excised?
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5 hours ago, ThunderJay27 said:
From what I've seen so far this week, the reporters are transitioning to the CBS News Philadelphia tag. So looks like the end of an era may be on the horizon.
KYW didn't use the EWN name from 1991 until 1998, reclaiming it two years after Group W ceased to exist.
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4 hours ago, CircleWXYZ said:
I’m curious to see if WWJ will be the first Detroit station to air a 3pm newscast. They are already debuting the 4pm newscast next Monday.
I believe the strategy is to air more news than syndicated shows on WWJ-TV. With Drew Barrymore moving to 9 am next week, I can’t see WWJ putting Drew Barrymore at 3 pm.
CBS News Detroit is basically a streaming operation that happens to have a transmitter tower to simulcast off of, and the stated goal is to be live from 4:30am to 11:35pm every day. Given the current buildout, they’ll already have a 3pm news running streaming-only for a few months until Phil’s show ends, at which point 62 can start simulcasting (and the reruns for next season are shunted off to WKBD?) Currently they have a 7pm streaming-only and that could be added to 62 in the coming weeks.
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This could be a one-off to audition talent or work out logistics, but WWJ just added a newscast for next Sunday night right after the Grammys… ATM there's no newscast scheduled for the following Sunday night@Samantha
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8 hours ago, abric said:
I saw they want to get the full news schedule in place by March.
They might not be THAT quick—mornings feel like it’ll fall in place by May at the latest—but they’re building this out at a rather steady pace and experimenting with likely talent pairings.
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3 hours ago, TheNewsTV said:
They're doing a 7pm edit as well, with Shaina Humphries.
That’s currently streaming-only but the legal ID tag suggests it might be added very soon.
Their 4pm news launches next Monday. With The Drew Barrymore Show’s modular setup, the other half will be moved to 9:30 a.m.
Also I’m watching the stream and they’ve added Detroit Now on WKBD…
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15 hours ago, abric said:
After watching the newscasts, I feel Amyre and Jeff are a much better anchor team.
They still have to launch a 4pm news; it’s possible this was a talent audition.
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Ol’ Scotty got it wrong on multiple fronts.
Here’s the thing: it’s not about LIV at all. CBS has no reason to keep those stations affiliated with the CW, a network that they jettisoned their joint operating stake in and have already washed their hands of. But LIV gives them a readymade excuse as CBS is not going to want to be seen as being in bed with the Saudis (as @channel2noted to me, yes, Paramount has a joint venture with Qatar managing the remains of Miramax, but it’s all about the PR here, and Uncle Perry made a boo-boo).
CBS launching an all-news streaming service on WWJ meant that they were always going to wind up doing the same in Atlanta and Seattle and make them in-house CBS O&Os (and possibly in Tampa had the Standard General takeover of TEGNA actually went through; thankfully that deal is dead and the station is expendable). Plus CBS already dumped MyNet on WBFS and WSBK and have the Now hybrid local-national franchises in primetime on their secondary stations.
And the insane thing is, Nexstar is only thinking about how to turn a profit on an operation CBS and Warners lost a shocking amount of money on. They don’t care if it completely nukes the affiliate base, a parcel of land basically paid for the CW in the first place.
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2 hours ago, TheRob said:
“NewsNation, the cable news channel created from what had been WGN America prior to Nexstar’s acquisition of Tribune Media in 2019, was another area of focus during the call. Execs emphasized that it has been profitable since it launched in rebranded form in 2020. They also noted their plans to program it with 24 hours a day of news from Monday through Friday by the end of 2023 and then fully 24/7 news by the end of 2024.”
That’s literally it in a nutshell. Regardless of how much Nexstar screws up The CW, it’s still going to make a profit as opposed to the prior business model. NewsNation has objectively failed in their original stated purpose as a news channel, and no one is watching, and yet they would be losing money continuing to have it as a ION-lite rerun farm that no one would be watching.
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11 hours ago, DirtyHarry said:
Playing devil's advocate, maybe that's why they wanted to keep virtual channel 3 so badly in Las Vegas!
Apples and oranges. Sinclair could not legally keep either the 33 or 40 of “ABC 33/40” and if they filed such a request to claim VC 33 or 40 in the present day, it would be rejected.
And AGAIN, people have no trouble finding James Spann when there’s a tornado and he rolls up his sleeves.
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3 hours ago, CircleSeven said:
On the second week of its debut, 62 has launched the 5pm hour tonight.
Rachelle Graham & Terrance Friday are anchoring the hour.
4pm might not be far off at this rate, which would match up with their intended launch plans (after considerable revision).
One thing I’m legitimately surprised about is WWJ running Entertainment Tonight at 1:35 a.m. … why not at 7:30 p.m.??
2 hours ago, Georgie56 said:Amyre Makupson made her debut on the 6pm filling in for Shaina Humphries (who co-hosted The Talk out in LA today).
Her mother Amyre Sr. also appeared at the end of the 6pm half-hour.
Amyre Sr. got her big break in 1975 as one of the first anchors for WGPR-TV’s Big City News, so it really does come full circle.
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9 hours ago, CLETVFan said:
Scripps is once again growing in cable. Makes me wish they didn't sell DIY, HGTV and Food Network in the first place.
These are diginets as opposed to cable. Thanks to the Ion/Inyo footprint, Scripps has a major OTA presence to exploit as well as getting them on every FAST/OTT/SVOD.
4 hours ago, ABC 7 Denver said:Odds are that they eventually spin this division off again.
tbh if they spin anything off in a few years, it’ll be the network affiliates. And they have no reason to even do that.
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On 1/25/2023 at 11:50 AM, iron_lion said:
I know that the point is to de-emphasize channel numbers because people are watching on multiple platforms.
Is it safe to assume however, that television is still the dominant way people consume local news? If so, there should be at least some reference to channel numbers so people know where to find the station. One way might be to include the station's channel number along with the call letters that are usually placed below the station's logo.
Example: CBS News Los Angeles
KCBS-TV | Channel 2
This might be especially useful for higher up double digit channel numbers like WWJ 62 in Detroit. Someone without cable may not know what dial CBS is and might not take the time to flip as far up as 62 on their OTA television.
I looked at WBMA’s channel lineup with @Weeterslast night. It’s devolved into an absurdly laughable mess since Sinclair twisted arms and bent reality to get the Allbritton deal finalized:
Sinclair could make it so much easier on everyone and call the whole enterprise “WBMA ABC” or “ABC Birmingham” or “ABC 58” or “ABC Alabama”… and yet… and yet, people still find a way to watch James Spann on ABC 58/68.2/17.2/40.2… errr… “ABC 33/40” AND are doing so in a market historically dominated by 6 and 13 with a branding that’s been obsolete for nearly nine years.
That’s what I mean when I debate the actual importance of channel number branding in the post-DTV switch and early OTT/SVOD eras.
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8 minutes ago, nycnewsjunkie said:
I think it’s safe to say that CBS Detroit falls into the “fewer legacy viewers at risk” category. Not only is channel 62 hard to get to for OTA viewers; that station (in its current form) doesn’t have much of a legacy to speak of.
The bitter part is that WGPR-TV has a legacy. It was merely erased from channel 62 in 1994 when CBS was forced to buy the station under duress and is now confined to a museum.
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1 minute ago, sfomspphl said:
For Fox or CNN they never had the memory of a channel number branding visual or audio. There’s also no local vs national programming distinction.
Of note, Fox affiliate branding conventions came from how the MetroMedia chain identified themselves for decades. What had been “MetroMedia Channel #” was altered to “Fox Television Channel #” when Rupert bought the chain. By 1988, it was simplified to “Fox #”.
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3 minutes ago, ColDayNews said:
Or, could Nexstar purchase WWHO outright? It'd be like a mini-reunion between them and WCMH, who managed WWHO until Viacom ownership
Why would Manham/Sinclair want to sell it? If Nexstar strips WWHO of the CW, they could still run the station as a diginet tree from a server in a broom closet at the WSYX studios. Put Comet on 53.1 or something.
New CBS O&O Look Coming Soon?
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Apollo Global Management, which owns “Cox Media Group”, owns the trademark to Action News. Disney pays Apollo-Cox a fee to use the trademark on WPVI. (Disney DOES own “Move Closer To Your World”, which they bought after Mayoham Music went out of business.)
Paramount Global has the first-use service mark for “Eyewitness News” which Westinghouse registered and will keep ownership of it after KYW-TV drops the name (again). ABC has always licensed the name from Westinghouse—>CBS—>Paramount.