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  1. That's true. One of them, TV 8 News Theme, even sounds vaguely Tuesday-esque. If it weren't for the fact that the webmaster of ClassicThemes was the writer of that theme and several others from Peters and put the info up on his site, I'd have wondered whether NMSA had it mislabeled as Peters. In fact, I'm convinced one supposed Peters package, KCRA and You, actually is a Tuesday package mislabeled as Peters on NMSA. It screams "Tuesday", and I even have a montage of various Tuesday radio/TV image songs from a jingle collector, that includes a "KCRA and You" song with the same melody.
  2. Peters was interesting, in that while they used the same slogan from station to station, the actual image campaigns were often unique to the station (or at least not shared between all stations who used that slogan; Ed Peters told me the former, but I know that two stations could have the same music - at least part of the WPIX "11 Alive" music package originated at KCST, it showed up in a snippet in a long lost retrospective I watched on KNSD's website in the 00s). In this case, I am pretty sure "X Belongs" is not actually the only Peters "Belongs" package. One of my phone conversations with Peters seemed to confirm my suspicion that KTNV 1981 was part of a "13 Belongs" image package from Peters. (The beginning of the intro seems to correspond with the syllables "Thi-ir-teen Be-longs".) This may be connected to a possible "13 Belongs" music package with a nearly identical motif, that KOVR used around the turn of the decade (though I do not know if they used it for news, I've just seen a movie intro with a "13 Belongs" logo paired with said music). Also, I have additional suspicions that WTVD 1979 is "11 Together", and that KTVX 1981 might be a separate "2 Together" package. In addition, I've wondered if WJBK 1980 could be an entirely different "2 Together" also from Peters. (KVIA 1985 could also be another "7 Together" package, but I'm not sure if Peters still held exclusive trademarks on those taglines by then.) So this "2 Belongs" could be by Peters without actually being "X Belongs".
  3. KLTV 1985 really sounds like something from Dallas. Not sure who though. TM? VTS (who recorded their music in Dallas)? That KLTV 1985 clip is certainly an interesting mix. You also have Bill Meeks' "Spirit of Oklahoma" from KWTV on the IDs (no relation to the KOTV "Spirit of Oklahoma"). And the animation looks very similar to WFAA's "Spirit of Texas" ID animations (though whether it's the same production house, I have no idea). I also wonder if KLTV is related to the mystery music KXAS used for news tease IDs in 1983. I've seen IDs both saying "5 Action News" and "5 News", but no actual newscast footage from '83 has yet surfaced. That music is too short for me to make a judgment, but it is one of the first things I think of when I hear KLTV 1985 (it has an almost identical 3-note statement at one point). Of course, the first thing I think of when I hear KLTV 1985 is News '80s, which it resembles (but definitely isn't).
  4. WAKC 1993 is a production track from Toby Arnold and Associates. I forget what the title is, but it was in their "The Ultimate" library. You could audition it on their website up until very recently, but I just went to go do so and they seem to have removed everything from "The Ultimate" not too long ago (they just started updating again this year, the site seemed to be stagnant for a long time). KAVU 1989 and WMDN 2000 were also in that library. I wish I had saved them, but I had no idea they'd be going away (and I was trying to figure out if they had been retitled before submitting to NMSA, since KAVU 1989 was referred to as "70s TV" but I have a rip of it from an earlier CD, from The Production Bank instead of The Ultimate, where it just carries the title "TV".)
  5. I immediately recognized that WTVO end theme; it's "The Ace of Swords" by The Alan Parsons Project. That song was used for football recaps on some newscasts of the era, but this is the first time I've ever heard it used as a theme.
  6. I believe the Renaissance 2 theme is on NMSA as "WROC 1987 News Theme", though I've long had a suspicion it was originally for KDKA. NMSA doesn't even list them as having used it, but I've seen a promo on YouTube with one of the cuts (possibly one of Thor's deleted videos?) I also assume the KD+You theme is the one that went with the tunnel animation, that has long been assumed (quite possibly incorrectly) to be part of Tuesday's News Image by most of the news theme community? (It's understandable why, it has the same 4-note logo, but in the past couple years, as more Tuesday stuff has been identified, I have become less and less sure that KDKA theme was even the work of Tuesday.) Yeah, opens are hard to find - some KDKA stuff (such as one of the "Here's 2" promos) only surfaced through some low-bitrate videos of classic clips posted on their site for some anniversary in the mid-00s, which are probably long gone.
  7. That KOAT open is very similar to one that sister station KETV was using at the time. (WPTA also continued to use similar CGI logo animation and anchor transition effects after they were sold from Pulitzer to Granite...)
  8. Here's an ITV (CITV) Edmonton movie open I found on robatsea2009's channel, with music from "Take a Look". You may recognize this track from the KXTV 3:30 Movie opens posted by KLXT77 some years back, but those opens faded the music out earlier than this one: Either through recommended videos, or just searching for more ITV, I found these additional videos from la_canuck. They were posted in 2009-12, but I just discovered them, so they're new to me. A bunch of early-80s IDs, promos, etc. from ITV, also using "Take a Look." These include a few cuts we've never heard (well, some of them are on the demo, which I've heard, but unlike on the demo, most of these are completely in the clear; also, the "disco" one has singers on the demo and is instrumental here). I'll try to put the rest in subsequent posts, due to the 5-embed limit. And here is a sign-on using Neil Diamond's "African Suite", perhaps best known among us as WJLA's news theme in the early 80s. However, this has the whole track, or at least most of it: Somehow, in all these years I had never listened to the whole thing (it can't have helped that NMSA's sample only has the section that was used by WJLA). Have any of you here ever listened to it all the way through? Pay attention to the last section, starting when the announcer comes in around 2:20, all the way to the end. I'm now convinced that Tuesday2 was, shall we say, "inspired by" African Suite.
  9. You're probably thinking of TM Productions' "The Best Things in Life", which was used by WWL, WYTV and others. The promo for WYTV was posted on Facebook some months back: https://m.facebook.com/groups/952495251429652?view=permalink&id=1187427394603102 However, the Cleveland jingle was not done for a station, it was commisioned by the Greater Cleveland Growth Association in 1974 as part of a campaign to improve Cleveland's public image. I doubt that it was done by TM, the singers sound different, and there is an entry in the January-June 1974 Copyright Office music catalog for "Cleveland, The Best Things in Life Are Here" written by Wilbur Dorfman, a Cleveland-based composer. Maybe that was a submission for a jingle for the campaign that wasn't used in the end, maybe someone else did the final song, maybe I'm wrong and it was also TM. Also, while it has very similar lyrics to the WYTV promo, the melody is different. I am thinking TM's campaign was a rip-off of the Cleveland jingle with a new melody, and a more distinctive musical "logo" for the tag line.
  10. Unfortunately, most of the good classic Pittsburgh stuff on YouTube (mostly KDKA) was posted by one user, stiffkids2006, who was terminated due to multiple copyright strikes at some point in the last year. It's weird, because the vast majority of the videos on that channel were posted years ago, I remember watching videos from that channel in 2007. So I don't know why they got taken down now.
  11. Yeah, I do hear the resemblance. Listen to the early version on open 1 (formerly "KPRC 1983"), that sounds even more like them. Out here in the Bay Area, KICU San Jose used v1 of KPRC '83/'84. They also used Telesound's "You Should See Us Now" image campaign (there are IDs on YT with a short instrumental tag version). So while that doesn't prove anything, it's still intriguing. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to get in touch with Karl Sjodahl yet...
  12. This is the same graphics package that was used by WBNS c. 1983-84. WPMT also used it, it shows up on this DX'ed ID that TechnerVideo/PhilaVideo uploaded years ago: I have a stack of old Millimeter back issues, and one of them (February 1983) has an ad for Calico, where one of the featured stills is of the WBNS intro. So it appears that Calico was responsible for this animation package.
  13. The WPXI/WTHI campaign was also used by TVW7 in Perth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2A5QaFBvUQ I have no idea who was behind it, I just can tell from listening that the WPXI and TVW7 versions were sung in Los Angeles (with the same singers heard on the 70s ABC fall campaigns, and the Klein & image campaigns).
  14. On KWES 2002: I'm actually starting to wonder whether KAKE 1988/KAKE 1989 are even Tuesday. I swear I sent samples to Tom DiNoto and he said they were Tuesday's work (or that they sounded familiar), but he also said that he did not recognize the KWES 2002 close. The reason I am pondering whether it is actually Tuesday, is that after deducing WROC 1992 as being an Otis Conner package (through instrumentation/drum machine sample similarities with the 1989 KCBS AM 740 package I used to hear when I was young), I took another listen to those KAKE packages and also seemed to hear similarities in the sound, and that made me wonder if they were actually Conner rather than Tuesday. I can still definitely hear why I had originally assumed it was Tuesday to begin with, so I'm not confident enough to say I absolutely DON'T believe it was their work. Unfortunately, I have had no luck getting responses from Mr. Conner; he responded to the RNYN curator about WROC 1992 confirming he did it, and responded to me asking about a different package and saying it wasn't his work. Other than that, I haven't gotten any answers about anything from Mr. Conner (I think I even messaged him about these KAKE packages, never heard back...)
  15. That KCRA theme is the first iteration of Earl Grizzell's WTNCF theme. (The later orchestral version was done under the auspices of VTS; from what I discussed with Hal Brown, it appears that Grizzell joined the VTS team after he wrote WTNCF on his own.) NMSA is wrong that KCRA used those Peters themes up to 1986. (Actually, as an aside, I have doubts KCRA and You is even Peters at all. I have a fan-made Tuesday radio/TV jingle montage put together by someone on a radio jingle forum, and there is a KCRA and You image jingle on there. Furthermore, the theme sample on NMSA sounds much more Tuesday than it does Peters - now that more Peters stuff has been identified, it's clear that Peters had its own distinct sound. The only other package which sounds Tuesday-esque is TV 8 News Theme, but we know that's Peters because ClassicThemes.com says so, and the curator is not only a San Diego native, but also wrote said package while on staff at Peters. Or maybe KCRA and You is Peters and that image song was put on that Tuesday compilation by mistake, I dunno. I'll have to investigate this more...)
  16. ASCAP lists a WJLA theme by Michael Randall, but no idea which of the four unidentified packages it would have been. And speaking of WRTV, ASCAP also lists a "Station Style News Theme", aka "WRTV News", by Randall - no, not Michael Karp, but Michael Randall. What would that be? The 1992 theme? (I have a feeling the 1979 and 1984 packages were both Tuesday - even though Tom DiNoto didn't recognize them when I sent him audio, they both sound quite "Tuesday" to my ear. I once thought the 1984 package could be Randall, until I heard the KCCI "Be a Part of It All" promo that sounded very similar, and since it was higher sound quality, I could tell that the bongos in that KCCI song sounded very, VERY Tuesday. If WRTV 1984 sounds similar, I'm betting it was also Tuesday. And we know WRTV 1990 was VTS, so that only leaves WRTV 1992, but does it sound too orchestral to be Randall?)
  17. I re-read the article in question, it said WITI was reviving a campaign they had used for four months in 1979. The clips you posted are definitely older than that, because they have a different TV 6 logo. (I know the classic late-70s/80s logo was in place when the affiliation swap from ABC to CBS happened, because there is a little animation on a Dolphin Productions demo with the CBS eye turning into the classic TV 6 logo, set to an instrumental of the "Count On" song. Did the logo change occur at the same time as the affiliation swap?) And I will defer to you on possible authorship of "Count On", if you don't think Terry Sweet did it, you certainly know his style 100% more than I do. Do you think it was produced in Milwaukee though? And it's always intriguing when radio station image campaigns migrate to TV. The other example I can think of is Tuesday's "Real Radio" campaign for WCCO-AM being reworked for WTVJ (including a news theme with the same melody, otherwise known as "Tuesday16").
  18. Very interesting, I always assumed that was another iteration of "The One & Only" (and that's what it's under in NMSA). I first heard that promo cut in a WPLG promo, where it had "The One & Only TV ___" melody. (You can hear that version of the music many times in the 1980 WPLG promo reel that's also posted above.) But in that KFMB promo, it has a different melody. Could it have started out as "Call It Home" and then been modified to fit into the WPLG version of "The One & Only" later?
  19. "You sure look like a winner" seems to indicate that this campaign was "The One 4 All" - WJKW used the same tag line in their version of said campaign. NMSA says WBZ debuted The One 4 All in 1979, so if it WAS that campaign, either WITI was one of the earliest to use it, or perhaps it was actually originally written for WITI and not WBZ. If only more clips of WITI were out there...
  20. I have a memory of one of my first phone conversations with Hal Brown where I sang the promo song to him and he confirmed it was VTS' work. I'm pretty sure it was the same call where I confirmed WAVY 1985 was VTS. The perfect segue from the top of hour ID jingle (which is based on the promo) into the news open is another point in its favor. Same key, same tempo, same instrumentation. The fact that this promo has Dallas vocals (some of the same singers as TM or JAM) is yet another point in its favor. VTS was headquartered in Asheville, North Carolina, but did the majority of its production in Dallas. I'm pretty confident that WAVY 1985 goes with "You're Covered". (Also, that KENS 1980s goes with "Clearly the One", and we already know WRTV 1990 - not yet ID'ed as VTS at NMSA, but I believe this is either 99.9% or 100% confirmed by us - goes with "Making a Difference".)
  21. I found News '80s, it was on a demo on a CD of news/talk radio jingles put out by Ken R. back in the early 00s. (Sorry, this was literally the only music in the clear, the rest had narration or announcer/newscaster voices - and the latter were probably demonstrations done by VTS, not using actual station talent.) There was some TV stuff on the CD too, including another VTS demo. The only other TV news music I could recognize in this other demo (or anywhere else on the CD) was KSBW 1987, nothing else in it has ever shown up on any recordings, so we can't know who used any of the others... News 80s was mistaken as being the KENS 80s package by NMSA until I emailed a correction. That's when he finally posted the MP3 of the clean 1:00 which I sent him. Fourth-ed on that other theme most likely being VTS. I will have to get in touch with Hal Brown again sometime.
  22. Great find! I wonder, could the WITI "You Can Count On Us" promo campaign from the 70s have also been the work of Terry Sweet? I only ask because WITI is in Milwaukee, and because the promo was later redone for KTNV in 1989, after they dropped the " People You Can Count On" campaign...
  23. I used to wonder that myself, but it feels more like it was composed specifically for news (especially the synth-only intro mix). Dolphin did graphics for WKRC concurrent with the use of this package (specifically that "EDGE" promo animation), which has to be why it showed up in their demos. (Much like how elsewhere in these demos, they took music from the custom, non-library music packages used by their clients WPIX and WUAB, and tracked it onto animations they had produced for other clients.)
  24. That theme was available in the clear on YT for years, on a Dolphin Productions animation reel. However, it wasn't known to be a WKRC news theme until the original open audio clip was submitted to NMSA, and WKRC posted a vintage promo online (with the EDGE animation that also appeared in the Dolphin reel). I actually cobbled together a complete version from the audio in the Dolphin demo, but never sent it to NMSA. And the audio quality on this newscast close is better anyways...
  25. I believe the WBAL promo song goes back to 1986, or possibly even 1985?
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