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On 6/14/2024 at 4:39 PM, 24994J said:

One year & a day after WLS first rolled out the full graphics package, we have a theme update at WTVD. It's Eyewitness News, but it's nothing we're familiar with.

 

 

I don't know if it's the Eyewitness News package or Warner Chapell have you confirmed that?

On 6/14/2024 at 4:55 PM, MediaZone4K said:

Yup. Right now the NBCs have the best sets of the O&Os

 

I'd argue Hearst and Graham stations have the best sets of the affiliate groups. 

 

What ABC O&O would you all say has the best set? KGO? KABC? 

 

WTVD is nice, that update putting that seamless monitor wall in 2023 make it look well. They are in WLS situation street level studio small space thry can't do everything and tight camera shots.

7 hours ago, newsman123 said:

300K??? A new set runs about $1 million.

that said, their set was really small and dated, and they needed a fresh look. 

 

A long time ago like the 90s and 80s it would be around 100k-300k but that was a long time ago.

This might be a Warner Chappell production I don't know if this is EWN update.

16 hours ago, Rusty Muck said:

MSNBC going after them would be enough to make Sinclair mass disaffiliate from NBC as retaliation. Which is exactly what a small-minded idiot like David Smith would do.

 

Again, read the Times article above.

I don't believe that'll happen I doubt it. 

7 hours ago, ABC 7 Denver said:

 

Sets are a big waste of money.

They're expensive I mean in the '90s Gil Jimenez sets cost only $100,000, but unless you want more stations to having set forever like KING 5 in Seattle did before their move in 2016, or WJZ before there new set in 2018, or KUSI which hasn't changed their set yet. You need them. No viewers are gonna watch a newscast in a set that from 25+ years ago in fact I argue it expensive because they've gotta constantly refresh the set to make it look modern as it ages, replacing the set while expensive yes best the cost of having to constantly update an aging news set from decades ago to look good in modern times. 

17 hours ago, ABC 7 Denver said:

 

2013. It was holding up nicely and sets cost a lot and don't contribute to a ratings bump.

It was nice but I kinda in my eye was starting to look dated. Just like WCCO their set holds up well also but at some point ill start to look sore.

19 hours ago, MediaZone4K said:

And so what if they did invest in employees? Why do employers feel the need to exercise control over what someone does when they leave your company? Fear of losing viewers?  As Katie Couric leaving Today for the CBS Evening News displayed, talent switching channels doesn't mean the viewers will leave in droves as the CBS EN remained #3 and Today remained #1 in their respective slots. Nonetheless, I doubt audiences will abandon a station because a reporter (a more interchangeable face than an anchor) has switched channels. 

I used to think that's how it worked in bigger markets journalists from competing stations being lured from a competing stations to a lower-rated station in the hope of improving their ratings by crossing over to the competition, WCBS did that with Ernie Anastos and Roz Abrams both from competing stations they were great but didn't work out ratings-wise. I thought pulling talent from competing stations in town helped the ratings for the station they're going to. WBMA-LD in Alabama when they launched in 1995, most of the talent was from other Birmingham stations Pam Huff, James Spann, etc it obviously worked for them (though it may have been that Allbritton just did a good job launching them), as most startup news departments birthed from 94-1995 television realignment have since shut down their news departments or are in last place ratings wise. So I thought if it worked in Birmingham it could work at other markets. I guess I was wrong.

15 hours ago, ABC 7 Denver said:

 

It's already in the pipeline. KCNC didn't need a new set.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/pictures/cbs-colorado-new-set-construction-behind-the-scenes/

Yeah they did the last set was from 2012..

On 6/5/2024 at 8:11 AM, jero85 said:

Charlotte CSA is now over 3.3 M per the 2020, which means it's nearly 1 million population difference between it and the Raleigh-Durham CSA.

 

The Unifour area had already tied economically themselves to Charlotte but merged into it officially by the US Census. Lake Norman development along with commuting between the two areas solidified it.

 

I have ample knowledge of Sacramento due to family, like Raleigh it's DMA is tied to Modesto and Stockton in the a Central Valley. Sacramento is also not keeping up with Charlotte either.  Charlotte is projected to be continued to accelerate in growth due to the the simultaneously growth from urban infill and rapid growth of its surrounding counties and the satellite cities of Concord, Kannapolis, Rock Hill, and Gastonia, Hickory. 

 

CBS never had news offices here. They do have sports bureaus here. NBC News Channel is in the same complex as WCNC. Its arrangement is similar to how WXIA is housing the NBC News Atlanta bureau. NASCAR, MLS & college sports programming are why FOX has its FS1 HQs in University City. Similar reasons with ESPN. 

 

I don't think it's a battle between the two areas. It's just becoming more apparent that Charlotte is more dominant area because it wasn't trying to seperate itself from other markets in the past.

Raleigh has that problem with separating itself for other markets, ill admit my area in the past didn't have smart people and was learning that lesson we made some costly mistakes like separating MSAs and some other things, its complicated situation, it more has to do with separate identities and hostile governments and citizens. But I see a scenario like Houston and Dallas, or Cincinnati and Columbus both NC markets will be neck and neck for years to come they both will be on each other tales. You right about their not being a battle, but its a stiff competition. 

Rip Inside the NBA Shaq, Kenny, Ernie, and Charles are an unbreakable duo they could buy the rights of the show and move it to NBC, but Ernie has said he's not leaving TNT since he's been there forever and has done other sports for them. But he could be at NBC and still be with TNT but he doesn't wanna leave I see the other 3 going to NBC but that still wont bring back the magic becasue Ernie is the godfather and the glue to the 4 on inside the NBA so without him it isn't much. That show at times was more entertaining than the games itself, it made people who didn't like basketball they some how made it interesting still. While I hope they bring back Roundball Rick which is the old NBA on NBC theme nothing can compare to those 4 i'll never be the same again.

5 hours ago, nycnewsjunkie said:

I'm not familiar with Steve Eager's work, but I'm not a fan of this practice either.

 

Granted, commentary is fine when it's a clearly labeled editorial (or when it's an offbeat newscast like "Next" at KUSA). And I know Bill Beutel at WABC occasionally inserted some mild commentary (ex: John Gotti "can only look at the moon through jailhouse bars"), but I don't think he ever waded into politics to this degree. Generally, there's a time and place for editorializing and commentary, and the middle of a supposedly impartial newscast isn't it IMHO.

Well Steve Edgar of FOX4 in Dallas I assume he's Republican just as I assume journalist Bill Ritter at ABC7 

in New York is a Democrat. They're both have worked hard enough to have an opinion, FTVLive did a story and I don't believe everything they say on that site but Scott wrote a story after the 1/6 capitol insurrection of a former KDFW reporter calling Steve out over something on Twitter I can't remember what it was about though. I'll try to find it.

1 hour ago, MediaZone4K said:

While we're here, when is KDFW gonna update their 2006 era set? It's perhaps the worst in the group at this point...(WAGA's heavy blue set isn't fantastic either). 

KDFW is never gonna update their set. I'm convinced they’re in a competition with New York for the longest to have never changed their set. Of course, WNYW got a New set in phases in 2019, it wasn't reported on by The Other Site, but i'm convinced KDFW is trying to have the oldest news set in the world.

45 minutes ago, MediaZone4K said:

And despite all the similarities now the sets are sill different.  KABC tips WABC in that reguard, although their Neil wall feed is beginning to look grainy.

KABC still has the best set in the group. 

You know that's what was unique about the split role between David Muir and George Stephanopoulos when that truck attack in NY happened in 2017 on Halloween, it was less than 2 hours before WNT yet they still called George in for that. When he should have been preparing to sleep they could've had David step in. I remember one day during a hearing and this was in 2019 when David did the all day coverage while George was out. I thought it was an odd setup. Especially that breaking news should be an evening anchor thing not a morning anchor thing. They ofc just felt bad about not giving George the WNT role.

8 hours ago, TennTV1983 said:

 

I remember Lunn from when he worked at WPTY (now WATN)/WLMT, WMC, and most recently KSTP. If the allegations against him are indeed true, that is a huge fall from grace.

What's up with some of these older news anchors loving on children? I can understand an 18-year-old because their legal adults, but under that age is sick. Keep in mind these people aren't even old enough to drink.

3 hours ago, 24994J said:

 

The last 2 people at WLS with the pins have since retired. Traffic anchor Roz Varon would wear it on work anniversaries & special occasions, like anchor Alan Krashesky turned his into cufflinks.

 

I think KGO does them too, but I don't see them as much as in LA with the 7 label pins. Ofc KFSN started it a few years ago, though I don't see there anchors wearing it a lot perhaps i'm not looking close enough. I noticed with clips of KGO from the '90s to early 00s to as far up as a few years ago some of the anchors don't wear them. I feel like KGO more laxed then LA becasue KABC must mandate it. 

18 minutes ago, MisterBill said:

 

That seems crazy to me. They're salaried employees. It's not like they're paid by the hour. Do you think they get compensatory time off when there's a major news event and they need to be on the air for extra hours or anchor on the weekend after a big event? Wouldn't only freelance reporters by paid hourly? Certainly not their main anchors.

 

I can't speak for Maurice and Christine, but I can tell you that reporters like Jenna DeAngelis and Lisa Rozner post on IG and always seem to be thrilled when they do the hourly CBS Newsbreak segments on the weekend. I doubt it's because they get a day off during the week for doing it (if they do at all) or get paid extra for working overtime. Seems like they like the exposure.

Yeah becasue its almost impossible to get a network job, especially if you want to go local to national from the New York market, almost every person I've talked to either turned it down or didn't get picked, so it must be fun occasionally filling in. I was talking to Michelle Charlesworth on Instagram she told me she was offered a network job but turned it down becasue she was afraid she wouldn't see her family. Only journalist I've seen who was in the NY market that got a network job was Weija Jang. And I found out Marci Gonzales worked at channel 7 before going to ABC News. And ofc Sam Champion went to GMA. Besides that they just  seem to be uninterested.

44 minutes ago, wabceyewitness said:

Because at the time, ABC was a strong network and often finishing #1 in primetime thanks to hits like Who Wants To Be A Millionaire and then Desperate Housewives, Lost, etc. a few years later. WABC was also trying to climb back to the top spot in news ratings after falling behind WNBC at 5pm and 6pm for the first time since the 1980s. (WNBC has just picked up Judge Judy from WCBS and Judy on Ch. 4 began beating Oprah on Ch. 7. As a result, WABC’s lost its longtime grip on the 4pm, 5pm and 6pm time slots.) Co-branding with a strong ABC made sense, and Disney/ABC wanted their owned stations branded as ABC. 
 

Eventually, ABC’s prime time hot streak ended after Millionaire was over scheduled and research found that New Yorkers never warmed up to identifying Eyewitness News with “ABC7”… it was and is identified with “Channel 7”.  So, WABC reverted to Channel 7 for news branding and held on to ABC7 for non-news branding, thanks in part to Disney/ABC forcing the ABC co-branding. 
 

 

Because at the time of website launches, KABC was better known as ABC7 by LA area viewers. “ABC7” never existed nor caught on with New York area viewers, hence why WABC launched as 7online.com. 

I remember when WTVD kept ABC 11 but briefly rebranded to “Channel 11 Eyewitness News” in 2005, but the annocuer still called it ABC11 Eyewitness News but it was brief by the end of 2005 reporters stopped saying that and they returned to “ABC 11 Eyewitness News”.  KTRK in 2015 became “ABC 13 Eyewitness News” and after being “13 Eyewitness News” but kept in general ABC13. 

Here a brief look at “Channel 11 Eyewitness News”.

17 minutes ago, mer764KCTV5 said:

Glendive relays on TV station in Billings for ABC, Fox (and MyNetworkTV) and The CW+ (That and PBS, but we're talking about Commercial stations.)

 

Even KXGN-TV has some newscasts from KTVQ (Q2) on 5.1 and KULR-TV on 5.2

 

Both KTVQ and KULR are in Billings.

They’re relaying that means not in-market.

On 5/29/2024 at 4:51 PM, tyrannical bastard said:

But we're all waiting for 1994 to repeat itself again, likely without a happy ending because Uncle Perry won't budge.....

Yeh no networks and markets are gonna go through that chaos for some low rated network to have some visibility. Shot Dignets like Bounce TV, Grit or other probably get better ratings then then. Tucson and Miami just won’t have affiliates.

1 hour ago, Rusty Muck said:

It might actually surprise you to find out that there exists no mandate for a network to have an affiliate in every market. That does not exist. If no station in Detroit wants to affiliate with the CW, that's totally on them and it's because they saw it as something not worth pursuing. Welcome to the free market.

On 5/31/2024 at 2:14 PM, mer764KCTV5 said:

Spanish-language networks and some dignets have that all the time. Shoot Monterrey-Salians after KNTV dropped ABC and got merged into San Fran, Monterrey Bay was without ABC until KSBW got it in 2011. I think Glendive doesn’t have an affiliate. 

1 hour ago, NYCsporty said:

I could care less about news branding, but maybe WABC in New York felt more like going back to tradition considering their history & decided against ABC network branding. Not the only ones in NYC doing it as WNBC does it opting for "News 4 New York", sister NBC O&O WRC in Washington, DC does the same with "News4". Also notice the websites for the 2 ABC flagships, you'd think abc7.com would be for their main flagship, but it actually goes to KABC in L.A. while it's abc7ny.com for NYC.

I just still am amazed they broke tradition to do that. I just wondered why.

5 hours ago, 24994J said:

formal verbal news branding

From 1999-2004 both KABC and WABC had the same verbal news branding until WABC went back to “Channel 7 Eyewitness News”. Till this day I wonder why WABC was ABC7 Eyewitness News from 99-04. KABC until 1996 was “Channel 7 Eyewitness News” in clips I've since from back then I never really heard reporters verbally say it at the end of liveshots. I feel like when KABC became ABC7 Eyewitness News that when I saw reporters saying it during the end of liveshots. 

WABC from 2000 during “ABC7 Eyewitness News” era does anyone know why they took that brand?

5 hours ago, 24994J said:

wordmark

WABC has kept that “Eyewitness News” typeface forever now. KABC has changed its font multiple times. 

9 hours ago, Big Rollo Smokes said:

 

Smilovitz was at WCBS-TV from 1992 (he succeeded Warner Wolf) until he was fired–not laid off–in the November '96 talent purge. He then returned to Detroit and to WDIV.

Laid off is almost similar to getting fired anyway. Bottom line he was out of a job.

1 hour ago, ns8401 said:

Bernie Smilovitz (main sports anchor joined in 1986)

Had a brief stint at WCBS in New York in the 90s but he was part of the station “massacre” at that station which resulted in him getting laid off.

1 hour ago, NowBergen said:

Al Roker

Except Al Roker decided in 2000, to switch over completely to network he had been doing 5 and 6 while Janice did 11pm so he could do the today show. But he stop doing WNBC in full on February 17, 2000.