ChesapeakeTV 311 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 A relatively minor find, but one I'd been hoping for since 2014... The theme, as also heard on KPHO and , is the beginning of Beyond by Herb Alpert, sped up by about 5% in the first instance. (Ironically, I only noticed the YT comment on the first video identifying it after noticing the auto ID on the third...) Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-157174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
promoguy98 253 Posted August 14, 2016 Author Share Posted August 14, 2016 [quote name='promoguy98']Finally, a clean one minute closing cut of "News '80s" by VTS Productions was added to the NMSA site. I noticed hints of the WWLP-WANE-WLOX theme, which is listed as the "KTVW 1986 News Theme" [/QUOTE] @Raymie @ChesapeakeTV @TServo2049 @Ntropolis Tagged a few peeps where we had discussed the WGHP News '80s package back a month or two ago. Found a clip earlier today from WLOX in 1984 that features the News '80s theme off and on for the first couple of minutes, starting at :28 seconds in. I don't think the first track before 28 secs is related. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP30snibz7s So, this puts WLOX using the package at least as early as 84 through the early 90's,which they followed with the "Jazzy" mixed cut of "Full Potential" from Network Music. Anywhoooo, this shows the theme that WLOX-WANE-WWLP-KTVW-WEVU used was a part of the overall WGHP package or an update to it. One thing is for sure - - it's definitely VTS, not that there was much doubt by anyone... :) 3 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-157420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha 2895 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 I think that first track is a Network Music piece. I've heard it somewhere before. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-157423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesapeakeTV 311 Posted August 14, 2016 Share Posted August 14, 2016 Yeah, that first track is High Combustion out of the Network library. Not surprising, really... The VTS theme is definitely the main attraction though. I'd definitely have to agree that it's pretty solid proof that the KTVW, etc. theme is a straight update, rather than a separate package with some common melodic cues. I almost wonder if it was WLOX who commissioned "v2". They seem like they were the last ones to use it (I recall seeing a YT comment on jacky9br's video of the jazzy Full Potential open saying they switched to it in mid '92, and I suspect they switched from "v2"), they do have a known history of commissioning music (the '98 Ford theme comes to mind), and their news department looks quite well staffed and funded for 1984 and the market in that video... 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-157424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha 2895 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 Yeah, that first track is High Combustion out of the Network library. Not surprising, really... The VTS theme is definitely the main attraction though. I'd definitely have to agree that it's pretty solid proof that the KTVW, etc. theme is a straight update, rather than a separate package with some common melodic cues. I almost wonder if it was WLOX who commissioned "v2". They seem like they were the last ones to use it (I recall seeing a YT comment on jacky9br's video of the jazzy Full Potential open saying they switched to it in mid '92, and I suspect they switched from "v2"), they do have a known history of commissioning music (the '98 Ford theme comes to mind), and their news department looks quite well staffed and funded for 1984 and the market in that video... We'd really need a 1986/87 clip of WLOX to ascertain a potential progression. 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-157488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesapeakeTV 311 Posted August 15, 2016 Share Posted August 15, 2016 We'd really need a 1986/87 clip of WLOX to ascertain a potential progression. That and a clip from a bit earlier, to see when they first started using News '80s in general... 2 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-157523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
compubit 673 Posted August 16, 2016 Share Posted August 16, 2016 I'm also hearing (pieces of) the KENS 1980s theme in that promo starting at 0:28... J Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-157580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesapeakeTV 311 Posted September 19, 2016 Share Posted September 19, 2016 As those of you who frequent this forum know, KPHO was one of the users of Rick Krizman's 24 Hour News during its 15 minutes of fame in the mid 90's. The NMSA lists them as using it from an unknown start date until 1998, with a KPHO 1995 unknown from that year until some unknown time after. For several years now it's been assumed that this unknown is a mystery cut of Krizman's theme that the NMSA simply hasn't done anything about yet. I think I've just disproven that, through random listening at NMN. First, we step into the time machine, back to 2014 in the U.S. news music abroad topic: But "KPHO 1995" must also have had some sort of a connection with Gari, because it was included in his International Sampler (as POP TV's theme) -- if it's the same theme. BTW, apart from its launch day (seen in the clip above), POP TV never used "KPHO 1995" as a news theme, just as an image theme. Gari's "Eyewitness News" was used for the news close. I have to admit, at the time I thought it was suspect too. The instrumentation in the clip referenced is quite Gari-like... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id=9GdbOkjEXWE;t=13 ...and the signature doesn't quite work either. 24 Hour News tends to revolve around a 3 note cue, whereas this mystery theme uses more of a 6 or 7 note melody. Fast forward to this morning, and imagine my surprise when I randomly click on the Entertainment theme listed under series 1 of Hometown News on NMN. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? TL;DR: KPHO 1995 must be a Gari library theme of some sort, because it appeared in Hometown News, and the instrumentation matches Gari's work. Even if it isn't a Gari theme, the signature doesn't mesh with everyone's suspicion - Krizman's 24 Hour News - anyway. 2 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-159925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
10Viewer 334 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Is "WRTV 1976" actually "Tuesday A"? Listen to the first :47: Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-160657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesapeakeTV 311 Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 That clear a sample of it all but drips Tuesday instrumentation...and I can't really hear an edit between the TuesdayA melody and the other one. I'd say your guess might just be a correct one! Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-160672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
10Viewer 334 Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 I'm surprised "KSL 1981" hasn't been ID'd yet. It has a vibe similar to "The News Image" and "News 88". 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-161028 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJClementeFan69 477 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Anyone know who did the WJLA 1992 theme? A really underrated, very newsy early-90s tune (the close is especially good). Definitely fit DC. 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-161218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
promoguy98 253 Posted October 15, 2016 Author Share Posted October 15, 2016 Anyone know who did the WJLA 1992 theme? A really underrated, very newsy early-90s tune (the close is especially good). Definitely fit DC. The theme reminds me A LOT of the 1991 WSB open as far as the music styling and that very newsy sound. I wonder if Cheryl Rogers who composed the theme for WSB 1991 open had a hand in this one? If not, it still sounds a lot like the Fairlight CMI Synth/Sampler sound that was used for the WSB composition. If she wasn't involved, it could have been an Atlanta "Doppler Studios" staff composer. Also, wonder if the open video animation/composites for both WSB 1991 and WJLA 1992 came out of Crawford Post / EQ Vance / John Christopher Burns in Atlanta? I see some similiar stylings there. Anyway, that's a couple of thoughts.... 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-161222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha 2895 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 Definitely not John Christopher Burns or TVbD. But those opens do have some similarity to them. 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-161225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TServo2049 81 Posted October 15, 2016 Share Posted October 15, 2016 ASCAP lists a WJLA theme by Michael Randall, but no idea which of the four unidentified packages it would have been. And speaking of WRTV, ASCAP also lists a "Station Style News Theme", aka "WRTV News", by Randall - no, not Michael Karp, but Michael Randall. What would that be? The 1992 theme? (I have a feeling the 1979 and 1984 packages were both Tuesday - even though Tom DiNoto didn't recognize them when I sent him audio, they both sound quite "Tuesday" to my ear. I once thought the 1984 package could be Randall, until I heard the KCCI "Be a Part of It All" promo that sounded very similar, and since it was higher sound quality, I could tell that the bongos in that KCCI song sounded very, VERY Tuesday. If WRTV 1984 sounds similar, I'm betting it was also Tuesday. And we know WRTV 1990 was VTS, so that only leaves WRTV 1992, but does it sound too orchestral to be Randall?) 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-161229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJClementeFan69 477 Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 Weird that there's a clear sample of the WJLA theme on NMSA but no information about it... 4 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-161308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cxd7346 232 Posted October 18, 2016 Share Posted October 18, 2016 I know this has been brought up before, but check out this newscast from WQAD in 1990. This is the era when they used the WCCO '85 Theme, This clip obviously includes bumpers to this package, that I am hearing for the first time. Was curious if this sounds familiar to anyone. I know this package was used by several stations and I have been really wanting to figure out who created it, its a great package. Below are other clips of this package. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdLh15dGZxs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNg2iHb8-ak https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id=0iLP7YebhSM;t=216 (The last clip from WMBD is a long shot, but you can hear very briefly at the end of that promo is the same as the end off the KSNW promo, point being is this package was widely used) Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-161322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesapeakeTV 311 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I once thought the 1984 package could be Randall, until I heard the KCCI "Be a Part of It All" promo that sounded very similar, and since it was higher sound quality, I could tell that the bongos in that KCCI song sounded very, VERY Tuesday. If WRTV 1984 sounds similar, I'm betting it was also Tuesday. Not just similar...I just listened to "Be a Part of It All", and they sound like they're the exact same package. We know KCCI was a repeat Tuesday client (well, we know they used Now More Than Ever...who knows where the NMSA's listing of KAKE 1980 came from), the beginning of the image sounds very much like the WRTV theme, and that theme . Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-161374 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha 2895 Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I'm agreeing too on the WRTV/KCCI connection. 3 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-161381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
10Viewer 334 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 NMSA added a WSB news open from 1980, listed separately from "2 Steps Ahead". It appears there was definitely a theme change in 1979, based on this snippet: The first five seconds appears to be the tail end of a midday newscast, with "1979" on the chyron. I just wonder, is this the same theme as "2 Steps Ahead" or a different theme altogether? 2 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-161642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChesapeakeTV 311 Posted October 28, 2016 Share Posted October 28, 2016 Melody sounds like it spells "2 Steps Ahead" in the last four notes, but otherwise it sounds rather different. Perhaps a "v1" or a different theme that's melodically related? Whatever it is, it must have appeared pretty early in 1979 - the station ID from the 1980 clip appears at the tail end of this video, with different music carrying the same signature. The Chicago mayoral election mentioned occurred in April... 2 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-161821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ntropolis 596 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 I was digging through the US Copyright Office search, and found something on the "WTAE 1993 News Theme". It was written by Brad Kelley, who did work with VTS. Its record lists "For use by Columbia Pictures in the motion picture, Striking distance." The film is set in Pittsburgh, and the theme is prominently featured in the opening scene of the movie as Sally Wiggin delivers a news report. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id=nJXy8RR4O1E;m=1;s=47 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-161894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTVNews 1377 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 I was watching an old WJW promo from 1985 on YT, and I began to think that WJW News Theme from Michael Randall Music from 1985-1995 is related to this promo. I could be wrong though. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-162123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnoxvilleTVFan 286 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 I may be right or wrong, but if you go over to the SouthernMedia's News Music Search Archive website, take a listen to the KWES 2002 Closing Theme. If you take a listen, the theme sounds like a Tuesday Productions piece. In fact, if I am not too badly mistaken, this may very well be part of the KAKE 1988 package done by Tuesday. 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-162442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha 2895 Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 I may be right or wrong, but if you go over to the SouthernMedia's News Music Search Archive website, take a listen to the KWES 2002 Closing Theme. If you take a listen, the theme sounds like a Tuesday Productions piece. In fact, if I am not too badly mistaken, this may very well be part of the KAKE 1988 package done by Tuesday. You're not the only one who thinks that. 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/13323-discovered-composers-publishers-of-music-themes/page/13/#findComment-162451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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