dman748

1 hour ago, Newsjunkie24 said:

Some game shows are allowed, others will lead to strikes. Any of Sony's or WB's game shows will result in strikes, although someone said a few years ago Sony's not always consistent.

I'll chime in here since I'm one of the game show content uploaders here in this forum.

I've seen other YouTubers that have uploaded Sony content and here's the thing about Sony:

Sony is definitely relaxed if you were to say upload things like say the ending credits, intros things like that you can probably get away with saying the name of the game show without any issues and they for the most part never had any issues with uploading smaller type stuff, they did block them occaisionally but most of the time they blocked the more recent stuff.

When it comes to uploading full episodes of Sony game shows mentioning the name of the show in the title and/or description is the quickest way of getting your channel terminated, by the same token doing things like what Sam Mitchell does with his "Mitchell Game Show Theater" and the late David Downs (R.I.P) did with "Fan Favorites" you'll notice the majority of them are all Sony stuff and overall what I've noticed is that if you were to occaisionally upload full episodes of Sony stuff, odds are you'd be fine, however uploading too many Sony Game Show episodes is asking for the channel to be taken down, in fact I might make an effort to at least make 1 or 2 uploads of Sony shows on my own channel and that would be it because I certainly don't want mine to be terminated for the things I just mentioned above.

9 hours ago, Yankees4life said:

Looks like they got the thumbs up from the existing providers here. Gonna be interesting to see how they'll handle the extra traffic and whatnot... 

The way it looks and from this quote it sounds like they also have obtained the rights to broadcast games to the majority of their teams they currently have linear rights to on their DTC Platform

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Sinclair has DTC rights for most of the teams covered by the RSNs, with discussions underway to enhance those rights.

Based on that I would say at least initally depending upon the RSN it'd only be used if there's like 3 or more games happening at the same time so that's one of the things those Bally Sports Extra overflow channels can be used for, beyond that I also see in certain cases where it's arranged to match the arrangement the Yankees has between Amazon and WPIX except it'd be exclusive to Sinclair and (depending upon the market) one other owner if its on an RSN that doesn't share common ownership with an existing Sinclair station.

We'll see what happens but it looks like live games will be made available to their DTC platform to the majority of the clubs they already have linear rights to.

17 hours ago, noggi said:

if you open the books on ANY broadcast company, you'll find these exact same problems. I also know we like to imagine that the mom-and-pop-owned Dispatch stations were a haven before TEGNA, but this behavior didn't happen overnight once new ownership came on board. Every single local station I ever worked for had issues like these.

 

You can trace back a lot of those discrimination complaints, like at WTSP for example, to the Joel Cheetwood-era of getting local management to fire all of their expensive legacy talent for much, much cheaper younger talent.  

It's definitely true, it's definitely common unfortunately across the industry which is a shame and I'm glad to see that get exposed.

As far as WTSP is concerned you might even be able to trace this back to 1989 when they had the Spy Scandal.

I firmly believe along with everyone else that Tegna is in trouble, we just don't know how deep in trouble they're in and we'll ultimately know more once the investigation gets completed. However, the reason why I say it'll be interesting is because Tegna has proven (when you look at the statement Soo Kim made) that Tegna hasn't been willing to give them much effort into doing their independent investigation into the matter and in fact all Tegna did was made Standard General sign the NDA, Kim refused to do so and they decided to hire Quest Research and Investigations to launch this investigation. 

The more I've read into that report the more I believe that because Tegna doesn't want to change what they've been doing to its stations for the past several years, Kim and Standard General sees flaws and things that Tegna isn't seeing that they think its doing fine at and I firmly believe that Kim and Standard General is using the CBS controversies as a tool to break Tegna up. I believe they have an agenda more so than just generating noise to get board represenation even though I do believe that those 2 factors are the reason why we're seeing those things come out on Tegna and Kim's agenda is to destroy Tegna by breaking up the company and sending its stations to individual groups because I clearly think that Kim just simply can't get a piece of Tegna by just getting board representation, he tried that last year and it failed so that's why he's resorting to allowing the CBS controversies to happen so that he can use that to his advantage by doing what he is doing and the absolute bottom line is.. Standard General has an agenda and they do not give a hoot about what Tegna thinks.

This is why I think it'll be interesting to see what Tegna has to say about Kim calling Quest Research and Investigations to launch an independent investigation into Tegna itself.

https://www.questinvestigates.com/ that's the link to QRI for those who are wondering who they are.

On 4/30/2021 at 9:56 PM, Yankees4life said:

This is gonna be interesting 

What's going to be really interesting is how Tegna itself reacts to this. By Kim making this move that just opened up a can of worms for both sides. We'll just have to see what happens with this one.

On 4/9/2021 at 3:29 PM, Georgie56 said:

More racism allegations at TEGNA. SEC filing.

Follow up:

Standard General is now launching an independent investigation into the racism allegations, PDF of the investigation which is redacted

6 minutes ago, tyrannical bastard said:

The NFL is much more set in their ways game-wise to maximize viewership on TV, with their consistent game times and network deals.

 

With the other leagues, the games are much more random in their placement, so they need a source that can air them live, because of the frequency and irregularity of the games.  By nature, an netlet station or RSN is more geared towards airing these games, aside from marquee matchups or league championships carried by the major networks.

NHL/NBA you might be able to make it work. MLB I'm just not sure if that's even doable. The only way that works is by making it DTC with a minimum amount of games sublicensed to the local stations (maybe on weekends or on a occaisional weekday afternoon in the summer when all of the syndie shows are done for their seasons or something like that)

1 hour ago, TexasTVNews said:

https://www.sportico.com/business/media/2021/sinclair-rsns-long-road-to-recovery-1234628452/

This part of the article perked my interest

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“If the RSN business continues to be challenged, you may see leagues selling more like the NFL,” Kosner said. “The teams may start plugging their local rights into a more national package scheme.”

The question mark is going to be how can you make that work without pissing off the big 4 networks or the CW?

1 hour ago, doublejman69 said:

It’s the cost of doing business, at some point in the near future streamers like Hulu and Disney+  will have to raise prices if they want to be profitable and also add more content. Disney loses money when people drop cable and sign up for Disney+ and we all know that not everyone that is dropping cable is a Disney+ sub. Disney, discovery, nbc all of those companies are making far more money off of cable customers than from streaming sub.

That I do agree, I also see the streamming bubble bursting at some point. In fact, I'm very concerned that sports in general may have been caught up in all of the streaming craze while local teams are still rely on a dying model (cable) via the RSNs.

1 hour ago, doublejman69 said:

You’re going to have to add an extra zero to that amount of you want to watch the local team on any MLB streaming service before any RSN would sign up for this.

Well whether you want to admit it or not, the leagues will eventually face irrelevance to the younger generation if they don't get away from the outdated model (and that is cable) and it won't be because of anything else, it will be because they didn't do their part to adapt with the direction the younger people are going.

Not a lot people are watching linear TV very much these days, especially in the younger generation.

26 minutes ago, doublejman69 said:

I think most of you guys are assuming if/when the rsn’s go to DTC, the channels are to charge customers what they charge to the cables and sat providers, 4-10 dollars a month. That’s not going to be the case, it’s going to be 30-40+ dollars easily.

Well it seems like MLB wants to do is charge customers is about that figure. If they charge 30-40 or more then I might as well pay for mlb.tv

48 minutes ago, tyrannical bastard said:

It needs to happen.  Yesterday.

 

Back in the day, Warner Cable in Akron used to charge extra for Sportschannel  Ohio to watch their Indians and Cavs games.

 

Let the fans pay for it.  It's making pay TV way too expensive and the OTT services aren't going to budge to their demands.

Yep and if DirecTV and other cable providers don't want to allow us the fans to pay for it then they can go bye-bye.

I'm afraid that sports not named the NFL will become irrelevant by the end of the decade unless things change and change fast. People are abandoning cable at a much faster rate now and it's time for cable and satellitte companies to finally allow the teams and the leagues to stay relevant to the next generation of consumers.

That's my concern too.

DirecTV and maybe other smaller cable companies could very well sue MLB and other leagues as well because of this.

On 4/5/2021 at 3:50 PM, dman748 said:

Here's a good collumn made by the SBJ about the future of the BSNs 

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2021/04/05/Portfolio/Media.aspx?error=Login+Failed

 

Sinclair is going to have a ton of negotiating to do beginning with the Clippers, Pelicans and Predators all have rights coming up plus the out of market agreements with the NBA and the NHL expires after this season.

 

A lot of negotiating ahead and I'm sure the leagues and the teams are definitely going to hit home to Sinclair about getting them back on the streammers + Dish.

And in an interesting twist, now MLB wants to take all of its RSNs DTC

This should be interesting

Porsha Riley has resigned from KOCO over race-related incidents.

Another thing to keep in mind too is this:

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In the event that the Company does not respond to this Demand or fails to permit inspection and copying of the demanded documents within five (5) business days from the date of this letter, we will seek appropriate relief to the fullest extent permitted by law.

Basically if I'm reading it right and I've been trying to Google this up to do my homework on the part in which is bolded basically Standard General can take Tegna to court for failure to supply the documents if that's what I'm understanding it correctly.

3 hours ago, newsbot said:

The elephant in the room in the Tegna/racism situation is Standard General's ongoing proxy fight. It behooves them to depress Tegna's stock price and make it more vulnerable for acquisition. Fearful stakeholders may be more receptive to Standard's offer as the situation escalates.

And that's a huge difference between it and the CBS scandal. Yes the problems are similar but CBS didn't have the pressure from a Soo Kim-like investor to say/do something about that Tegna has.

I think some of the shareholders who voted Tegna last year might be inclined to vote for Standard General this time around.

10 minutes ago, CircleSeven said:

B&C is covering it.

 

Here's the original story about that specific incident. There's no words.

 

 

I figured that B&C would cover it, I also notice the Hill is covering it too. So yeah, I have a feeling that given the scope of it we might consider needing to split it into its own thread.

The more I look into this, the more I see it as a very bad look on Tegna. We'll probably be talking about this for quite awhile.

36 minutes ago, tyrannical bastard said:

Ouch!  Especially why they claim to be using their current music and purple in their graphics.

Ouch might be an understatment. Once TVNewsCheck, B&C and everyone else starts picking up on the story. Watch out.

Here's a good collumn made by the SBJ about the future of the BSNs 

https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2021/04/05/Portfolio/Media.aspx?error=Login+Failed

Sinclair is going to have a ton of negotiating to do beginning with the Clippers, Pelicans and Predators all have rights coming up plus the out of market agreements with the NBA and the NHL expires after this season.

A lot of negotiating ahead and I'm sure the leagues and the teams are definitely going to hit home to Sinclair about getting them back on the streammers + Dish.

4 hours ago, ScottJ said:

Having the generic open for all teams seems to be part of Sinclair's strategy to homogenize the RSNs.

The article also mentions the possibility of adding national programming to the RSNs.

There's just so much that I need to analyze on that article it'll be a long one so please bear with me on this one:

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At some point the Bally’s Sports might produce two game telecasts, a traditional one plus one for people interested in gaming

That is likely where I see the Bally Sports Extra channels ultimately being used for eventually. Keep the traditional broadcast on the main and then those that want to watch the game from a sports betting perspective can watch it on the Extra channel.

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Sinclair has other programming ideas. Some involve going inside the team’s training facilities to look at advances in health and data science, staging a three-on-three hockey tournament or a “Hockey University” show that would help teach viewers the sport’s rules.

I'm a huge fan of this idea, this is a very good way of attracting new younger fans. Both the sports betting aspect of it and this Hockey University concept is a good way of doing that.

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Sinclair will take a crawl, walk, run approach to new programming, trying it out at one of its RSNs before rolling it out to the entire group.

I believe this is the approach that I'm sure Sinclair is doing right now even with the SportsCenter-esque show that @Georgie56has been mentioning so much of. I think Sinclair really wants to try to finish what Fox tried to start in the late 90s and (ultimately) make it work when it does launch its OTT/DTC service

Also I have a feeling Georgie is correct on 2 key fronts:

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In some ways, Sinclair plans to nationalize its RSN operations.

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There may also be national programming on the RSNs.

I have a feeling Sinclair really wants to carve out its own niche in a way. I don't see so much of Sinclair trying to compete with ESPN as much as I see Sinclair carving out its own niche in an area of this SportsCenter-style show. One of the advantages Sinclair has is (in addition to the RSNs and Stadium) is the local stations. Sinclair can tap into the local stations for major sports stories as well and in a way that's a huge advantage over SportsCenter right there because you don't see SportsCenter doing anything like that at all not even with its ABC O&Os. They might use the O&Os for like during player/coach interview segments and certain other things but that's pretty much it.

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In addition to the RSNs, the sports programming Sinclair develops could also run on its CW and MyNetworkTV affiliated stations

This is pretty much consistent with what Bally Sports North is doing by putting some T-Wolves games on WUCW, In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see certain shows actually replace syndicated programming down the road.

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Weisbord mentioned Shams Charnania, Stadium’s NBA reporter, as possible talent for a national show.

Again. There's your big hint right there that one of the many shows Sinclair is in the process of developing is a SportsCenter-style show.

I think to summarize up all of the points is, I hope Sinclair is learning from the mistakes Fox made. But I'm sure Sinclair also understands they can't be running the same type of programs Fox had been running in the later years which I believe is one of the many reasons why the streammers and Dish has been balking at the RSNs. The RSNs charge way too much for programming that (outside of live sports and the pre/post shows) are garbage..That might be what gets the RSNs back on at least the streammers eventually. Dish on the other hand might be a lost cause though.

It'll be an interesting 12 months for Sinclair.

5 minutes ago, CTrey98 said:

The logo bug for Baseball looks a little different. They do not use the team logos. Instead, they are using the Bally's logo by itself.

This is probably the Brewers crew as I don't think RSN announcers are still allowed to travel with the teams on the road as of yet.

6 minutes ago, Samantha said:

 

Further notes: the Arizona carrier on Cox is YurView Arizona "at this time". (It started as an RSN 40 years ago, so...) In LA, KCOP is carrying a few Angels games for overflow purposes.

 

I could not find any other cases of "Extra" feeds.

I also found out that KTXA is carrying a few Stars and Mavs games in April and May. While KMYS is carrying some Spurs games too.

As I said on Discord last night, I see OTA stations (not just Sinclair stations) being involved more so with the coverage of sporting events potentially making subfeed channels (e.g. Bally Sports Kansas City completely pointless). In fact I would not be shocked to see OTA and their upcoming DTC service ultimately replacing the traditional RSN platform which will likely force many of the contracts to have to be renegotiated.

On 3/28/2021 at 10:17 PM, LoadStar said:

Unless I'm misreading it, Bally Sports North Extra is not really a channel... it's just a way to brand the programming when they're being carried on broadcast TV.

You're on the right track. The way I'm interpreting it from the articles I've read (and I've read those articles more than once) its sort of a mix between the games being broadcasted in markets in which the teams are represented (OTA) and on cable/apps for those outside of the market.

In other words those within the Minneapolis-St. Paul DMA will see whatever games go on the Extra channel shown on WUCW, while those outside of WUCW's coverage area will have games exclusively carried on either DirecTV, certain cable providers and/or exclusively on the Bally Sports app.

Hate to bump up a stagnant thread but.. some interesting tidbits from some of the Bally RSNs namely, Bally Sports North and Arizona.

Sinclair is apparently going to be launching a 3rd channel known as Bally Sports Extra, which would serve as a multipurpose channel for at least initially, conflicts of at least 2 or more games. Depending upon the situation it'd be a mix of either or both OTA (within the market) as well as on services such as DirecTV (outside of the market) and on the Bally Sports apps for non-DTV customers that still gets the Bally RSNs.

In the case of Bally Sports North, WUCW will be carrying the T-Wolves games on 4/3, 4/16, 4/26, 5/5 and 5/7

https://www.foxsports.com/north/story/bally-sports-north-tripleheader-channels-minnesota-wild-wolves-twins-032621

And in the case of Bally Sports Arizona, some D-Backs games are going on Bally Sports Arizona Extra, on both Cox and DirecTV https://www.foxsports.com/arizona/story/bally-sports-arizona-announces-arizona-diamondbacks-2021-regular-season-schedule-032421 This part though I believe its the most interesting part 

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2 things that jump to my mind right away when I see that piece of the article. It's either a sign that Sinclair is about to strike a deal with someone in the Phoenix area to carry the games or a negotiating plot to get the RSNs back on certain services. If I were a betting person I would say its the former.

Peyton Yager moving down 35 to join KDFW as the stations Evening Reporter https://tvnewscheck.com/more-news/journalism/article/peyton-yager-joins-kdfw-dallas-as-reporter/