brianpr3 178 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 this is happening in my market and i just wanted to share with you guys. the news director was talking crap about the #1 station in the area also notice the comments at the bottom from a former employee about someone doing porn because his experince at waterman left him with a VERY bad taste in his mouth, also it includes a link to a clip on the page of the WSVN chief meterologist arguing that his forecast is the most accurate and it's confirmed per weather rate. didn't we discuss weatherate gives their award for most accurate out like candy? also Waterman fired a long time anchor after he complained to OHSA regarding the old studio after having a "hacking cough" due to a dirty and very old set (nbc just changed to a new set/studio last year). Ratings speak for them selves here's the feud.. http://www.adweek.com/tvspy/wink-taking-hits-again-this-time-from-wbbh-news-director/152589 here's craig wolf story http://www.naplesnews.com/community/bonita-banner/craig-wolf-whistle-blower-suit-nbc2-real-estate Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eat News 4745 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 also notice the comments at the bottom from a former employee about someone doing porn because his experience at waterman left him with a VERY bad taste in his mouth... Did that "bad taste" go away after switching to porn??? He might want to avoid the asparagus. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131836 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrtraveler01 738 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 This is rich coming from a station that copied WINK's Look F graphics with a cheapened version of them. Because of them, WINK decided to copy CNN's graphics instead. I guess neither station has the moral high ground here but I would've thought news directors would've been more mature than this. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRolyPoly 2449 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 this is happening in my market and i just wanted to share with you guys. the news director was talking crap about the #1 station in the area also notice the comments at the bottom from a former employee about someone doing porn because his experince at waterman left him with a VERY bad taste in his mouth, also it includes a link to a clip on the page of the WZVN chief meterologist arguing that his forecast is the most accurate and it's confirmed per weather rate. didn't we discuss weatherate gives their award for most accurate out like candy? also Waterman fired a long time anchor after he complained to OHSA regarding the old studio after having a "hacking cough" due to a dirty and very old set (nbc just changed to a new set/studio last year). Ratings speak for them selves. WZVN... not WSVN. Don't freak me out on that. Scared me for a second. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3955 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 In WINK's regard, they made the questionable decisions to adapt graphic packages that were designed for other affiliates and networks. If this mandate came from the top, it has serious issues with its ownership and their "follow the leader" mentality by using the despised "make my station look like this" method of management that stifles creativity and originality. And on top of that, Waterman's lack of common sense makes their decisions and actions seem even more petty and childish, despite their claims to take back what they feel they are entitled to. This leaves Scripps, and the only station not involved in this brouhaha. Interestingly enough, this is a bright side for them There seems to be a sense of delusion in that market that was driven by every station except for WINK to brand themselves as VHF stations instead of their actual UHF channal number. Like San Diego, did this have to do with the rate of cable penetration? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A3N 1002 Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 In WINK's regard, they made the questionable decisions to adapt graphic packages that were designed for other affiliates and networks. If this mandate came from the top, it has serious issues with its ownership and their "follow the leader" mentality by using the despised "make my station look like this" method of management that stifles creativity and originality. And on top of that, Waterman's lack of common sense makes their decisions and actions seem even more petty and childish, despite their claims to take back what they feel they are entitled to. This leaves Scripps, and the only station not involved in this brouhaha. Interestingly enough, this is a bright side for them There seems to be a sense of delusion in that market that was driven by every station except for WINK to brand themselves as VHF stations instead of their actual UHF channal number. Like San Diego, did this have to do with the rate of cable penetration? Look F is a package that is very versatile, that it's not tied down/designed exclusively as an NBC package. WINK liked the look, they liked the price, and ArtWorks was more than willing to sell it to them-- customized to their needs. Look at the market leader and the bottom feeder and it will tell you exactly who's doing what right/wrong. In this case, Waterman is the one that needs to shut up and work on fixing the problems they have. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131847 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrtraveler01 738 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 In WINK's regard, they made the questionable decisions to adapt graphic packages that were designed for other affiliates and networks. If this mandate came from the top, it has serious issues with its ownership and their "follow the leader" mentality by using the despised "make my station look like this" method of management that stifles creativity and originality. And on top of that, Waterman's lack of common sense makes their decisions and actions seem even more petty and childish, despite their claims to take back what they feel they are entitled to. This leaves Scripps, and the only station not involved in this brouhaha. Interestingly enough, this is a bright side for them There seems to be a sense of delusion in that market that was driven by every station except for WINK to brand themselves as VHF stations instead of their actual UHF channal number. Like San Diego, did this have to do with the rate of cable penetration? The Naples-Ft. Myers market does have a very high rate of cable penetration because so many of the affiliates were on UHF signals that weren't that good over-the-air so I do think that was the reason why. WINK using Look F didn't bother me as much as WBBH trying to copy Look F after WINK was using it. WFTX could be the one station in which a Scripps ownership can be a positive for them. Journal had been trying to make the station more competitive but with little luck against NBC2/ABC7 and WINK. Maybe Scripps can invest in the station to make it more competitive especially if the Waterman duopoly is that much of a mess. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkolsen 1684 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Very childish and unprofessional. Also, I wonder if any news anchors have ever made the jump to pornography? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEOMatrix 1299 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 I think that the Waterman stations and WINK should end this squabble and instead focus on the dark horse at Scripps. If Scripps can put the right amount of effort into WFTX then WBBH/WZVN won't know what hit them come this time next year. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
qunewsguy 377 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Wow that got ugly fast! Not to take away from the seriousness of the discussion, but did I miss something here in the graphics part of this? WINK did a cheap in-house rip-off of Look F ( )... Waterman bought the proper look outright, albeit swapping the fonts for Helvetica ( ). Sort of sneaky for Waterman to do that, but still... Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRob 938 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Funny thing about porn... the call letters WBBH were a porn site at one time. I think the station had to use wbbhtv.com or wbbh2.com or something similar. This was 15 years ago. I haven't been to the market in a long time. I remember WINK-TV being the better station (it was on cable channel 5 instead of 11, if anyone wondered). If you want to come at the king, you don't do it with words and public feuds. Do it through your ability to be a professional news organization. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianpr3 178 Posted August 1, 2015 Author Share Posted August 1, 2015 and you also read about the part were waterman dismissed a longtime anchor right? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A3N 1002 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 Wow that got ugly fast! Not to take away from the seriousness of the discussion, but did I miss something here in the graphics part of this? WINK did a cheap in-house rip-off of Look F ( )... Waterman bought the proper look outright, albeit swapping the fonts for Helvetica ( ). Sort of sneaky for Waterman to do that, but still... It's been mentioned several times on this board that WINK's look was not a ripoff. It came from Artworks. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmediaguy 123 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 It's been mentioned several times on this board that WINK's look was not a ripoff. It came from Artworks. So does some blame lie with Artworks for not keeping the package market exclusive? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A3N 1002 Posted August 1, 2015 Share Posted August 1, 2015 So does some blame lie with Artworks for not keeping the package market exclusive? I would say no. They're in the business of designing/creating/selling graphics (and other products). The blame lies on the station that came in late and deciding that they wanted a look that a competitor in their market already had (even though the package has been used by other NBC affiliates). Look F is so customizable, that WBBH could have used a different shade of blue and requested Artworks to modify some elements of the package to distinguish it from WINK's. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3955 Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 It's not really the best idea to re-hash a brand or music package in the same market, unless it's been a really long time and in such a way that viewer's memory has disappeared. I.E. WKYC used "Action News" until 1984. WOIO has used "Action News" since 2002 until the near future when their rebrand is rumored to occur. Now when it comes to two competing stations using the exact same (or similar) package AT THE SAME TIME..... Viewers can see it plain as day. While the right to use the package depends on the provider, it's in extremely poor taste to directly copy your competition. Even worse than a clueless out-of-market consultant having their way with a station, and blindly rebranding things that mirror something the competition used to do. I.e. WIAT adopting "Impact" last year after WVTM used it from 1996 to 1999. Slogans and branding are sometimes trademarked to prevent their usage elsewhere. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-131909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianpr3 178 Posted August 5, 2015 Author Share Posted August 5, 2015 yet waterman, nbc 2 claims their the most watched station while wink is rated #1 HA also didn't we have a discussion on weatherate? on how they give out their awards like candy? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-132017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha 2896 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 yet waterman, nbc 2 claims their the most watched station while wink is rated #1 HA also didn't we have a discussion on weatherate? on how they give out their awards like candy? Basically, they select the best station in the market, which must then pay fees to Bruce Fixman dba WeatheRate to advertise the certification. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-132055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRolyPoly 2449 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 WINK used to compete with WBBH for 24-hour local news and weather on digital subchannels, but as of last week, WINK has been simulcasting itself on 11.2. I'm not sure as to why or if WINK discontinued "WINK News NOW" permanently, which competes against "NBC 2 News NOW." Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-132056 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianpr3 178 Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 btw here's their ad's regarding weatherate i also forgot to add the post from the chief meterologist saying they can prove it etc weatherrate is independent and we have the scientific proof https://www.facebook.com/JPweather/videos/1148666931815215/?permPage=1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-132058 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRob 938 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 :mellow: Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-132061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronQ 282 Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 :mellow: PHRASING!!!!! Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-132063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianpr3 178 Posted August 7, 2015 Author Share Posted August 7, 2015 Well Darrel how are you gonna pass this off? blame it on wink and say it was sabotage? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14539-wink-vs-waterman/#findComment-132075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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