CaptainBAL 93 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Heres hoping for a great set on 8/9. Hopefully they have the reveal on fb. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainNews 287 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 [MEDIA=imgur]a/5oiPO3P[/MEDIA] Caught the promo, couldn’t record the full length. The new set looks extremely large compared to the other O&O sets. Notice how the display of old items they have is inside of a glass casing instead of on glass shelves. Side note: all CBS O&O stations left will have this set according to CBS Chicago-you can thank KCBS. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha 2895 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Somehow it wouldn't surprise me if one of the old items was that wood carving they had made... Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie56 3305 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 [MEDIA=imgur]a/5oiPO3P[/MEDIA] Caught the promo, couldn’t record the full length. The new set looks extremely large compared to the other O&O sets. Notice how the display of old items they have is inside of a glass casing instead of on glass shelves. Side note: all CBS O&O stations left will have this set according to CBS Chicago-you can thank KCBS. Well, the CBS O&O set looks worlds better than the TEGNA set. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasTVNews 1377 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 All CBS O&O Set (BDI) are 10X better than the Tegna Sets. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkolsen 1684 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 Here are the various promos (and other spots) that WJZ has used to promote their new set: Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Block 1566 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 What are we going to talk about when all of this is over with? Can we still relitigate the loss of NBC on KRON a few more times? Or speculate which station will pick up Roz Abrams next? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkolsen 1684 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 What are we going to talk about when all of this is over with? Can we still relitigate the loss of NBC on KRON a few more times? Or speculate which station will pick up Roz Abrams next? After a week I’m sure the thread will be locked. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCAUTVNBC10 413 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Side note: all CBS O&O stations left will have this set according to CBS Chicago-you can thank KCBS. What are we going to talk about when all of this is over with? Can we still relitigate the loss of NBC on KRON a few more times? Or speculate which station will pick up Roz Abrams next? I think everyone will just go back to bitching about Sinclair and Nexstar. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209492 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4374 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 What are we going to talk about when all of this is over with? Can we still relitigate the loss of NBC on KRON a few more times? Or speculate which station will pick up Roz Abrams next? Why can't WWJ-TV have a news department? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkolsen 1684 Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 This is honestly one of the best posts ever. I had to skip from page 5 to 35 to reply because I can’t contain myself. I worked in Creative Services from 96-01 and can explain a few things. First and foremost, everything you’ve called out from the traced logo to the awful carnival open with “Baltimore’s Favorite News Team” to the use of Helvetica Extended comes directly from the corner office, directives from the previous GM, he whose name shall not be said. He loved neon so neon logos were made for the newsroom. He liked color so magenta, pink and yellow highlights were added everywhere. He directed, no— imposed— his ideas on every department. From graphics in promos he called branding buttons with the logo covered by type that said “Useful Information” to the camera shots during a newscast or reporter’s scripts. (Which is why they lost Gelfman and Suzanne.) It’s important to note that many things you discussed are also, I’m quite sure, due to budget. They used to brag that JZ was more profitable than WBBM. The directives for austerity came from CBS corporate. When we redid the set in ‘98, it was a major investment that took over a year to get through corporate finance. Using the old chroma cues package this long started as a financial decision (20 years ago when he came and I was still there l) because we had bought out the rights when we had it composed (it was original for JZ) and paid no annual license. Music rights were expensive then and have become even moreso since then. Little JZ could barely send a reporter out of town on a story so there was no way they were paying for music. At the time, we dug up unused cuts from the package to find some way to freshen the sound but here we are today with the same old song, literally. Finally, the issue of the whole corporate package. I’ve been gone for a loooong time, obviously. But when Westinghouse bought CBS, there was a big integration process with a lot of jockeying for control. The Group W sales organization prevailed in their pissing contest and the CBS station group management prevailed in theirs. Group W stations had been going through brand development processes prior to the merger (Done countless times since then, I’m sure!) which later rolled out to the O&O’s. The CBS side pushed the Group W stations to fall in line as traditional O&O’s with prominent CBS branding. Stations nationwide were watching the success of Fox’s “foxification” by calling themselves Fox5, etc., and CBS jumped onboard. Local management, even before he who shall be named was brought in, always insisted that JZ was different and should not have the corporate look stamped onto it. When he who shall be named arrives, he found a compromise by adding the eye all over the place but not renaming the station CBS13. I heard from friends after I left that JZ was never forced to use the CBS graphics package because of its outlier branding. He who shall not be named was an old CBS O&O guy so he had cred to win that kind of fight and, I’m guessing, there was probably an element of “as long as he makes his numbers, well leave him alone.” When you lose a high priced anchor like Sally, you probably go a long way to keeping your profitability up. It’ll be interesting to see what the new set and package look like. I really hope the new GM is able to bring them to the year 2018 without losing all of what makes JZ unique, even though so much of that was lost by cost cutting since ‘98. Oh, one last thing. I don’t know KC but i definitely know what he’s been up against because i was there. Having no money and a dwindling staff is no fun. Give him credit for all he’s done to keep the wheels on while driving the fricking car. This probably has to be the best post from someone who says they work for station. If not it’s highly believable. From what I’ve seen of old posters inside the station in the same color scheme you mentioned along with the neon signs. Was the neon sign up on the building when you started there? I’m asking if it was his doing but then again the building is old and white neon tubes are used on the WBAL sign. The magenta and everything you mention certainly links up especially when they relit the set backdrop. Almost makes me wonder if he was an old hippie with the color scheme and neon lights. Look at this recent photo showing some signage which has magenta and neon blue lines (this has to have been made at the turn of the century): https://www.instagram.com/p/BTrVjodhAzy/ As to them being more profitable than WBBM I wonder how much that it because of the various expenses that go along with being in market #3. They probably had a much larger reporting staff, high priced amchors and definitely higher leases and taxes. Unless of course they are just talking about money they bring in. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appleachian 133 Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 I mean there’s also the fact that nobody watches WBBM. That can’t help the bottom line. WGN is loaded up with talent but they still bring in the dough. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkolsen 1684 Posted August 4, 2018 Author Share Posted August 4, 2018 Looks like @CaptainBAL was semi right. The old transmitter was not compatible with Lynx but it was shut off because it ran on Windows 98, was tube based making parts hard to find and the data from the NWS is far superior. [URL='https://twitter.com/kalenxi/status/1025560080819863552?s=21']https://twitter.com/kalenxi/status/1025560080819863552[/URL] Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkolsen 1684 Posted August 4, 2018 Author Share Posted August 4, 2018 Here are the various promos (and other spots) that WJZ has used to promote their new set: Does anyone know who the female and male v/o are? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie56 3305 Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Does anyone know who the female and male v/o are? Not sure about the female v/o, but the male v/o is Pat Garrett. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBAL 93 Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 [quote name='rkolsen']Looks like @CaptainBAL was semi right. The old transmitter was not compatible with Lynx but it was shut off because it ran on Windows 98, was tube based making parts hard to find and the data from the NWS is far superior. [URL='https://twitter.com/kalenxi/status/1025560080819863552?s=21']https://twitter.com/kalenxi/status/1025560080819863552[/URL][/QUOTE] You are kidding me right??? ON A WINDOWS 98!?!?! lol!!!! They really do need an upgraded radar because this is 2018. We have ARMOR now, VIPIRCast, HD Dopplers... I'm trying to figure out what WMAR and WBAL are running on now. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyNewsArchive 197 Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Along with the new set and graphics debuting on the 9th, I hope they can finally use a well known V/O like Steve Kamer or the one that WCCO uses. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavin 118 Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 This set is going to be the CBS-Branded Set designed by BDI Broadcast Design International, and though other CBS-Owned Station have this set like WCBS in New York, and WBBM in Chicago just to name a few. but this set closes similarity will probably WCBS in New York because of the side monitor which is adjacent to the news desk but also is behind the news desk along with the other big-screen monitors. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jess 1115 Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Along with the new set and graphics debuting on the 9th, I hope they can finally use a well known V/O like Steve Kamer or the one that WCCO uses. Orrr they can keep using the ones they have now. Nothing wrong with them frankly. My personal favorite announcer isn’t nationally known. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkolsen 1684 Posted August 4, 2018 Author Share Posted August 4, 2018 You are kidding me right??? ON A WINDOWS 98!?!?! lol!!!! They really do need an upgraded radar because this is 2018. We have ARMOR now, VIPIRCast, HD Dopplers... I'm trying to figure out what WMAR and WBAL are running on now. WSI. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bammy99 25 Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Along with the new set and graphics debuting on the 9th, I hope they can finally use a well known V/O like Steve Kamer or the one that WCCO uses. It's safe to say Pat Garrett's sticking around with the new O&O graphics. He's been the VO guy since about '03 (rkolsen can surely correct me if I'm wrong though). The female (Lynn Hoffman) will probably stick around for promos. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkolsen 1684 Posted August 4, 2018 Author Share Posted August 4, 2018 It's safe to say Pat Garrett's sticking around with the new O&O graphics. He's been the VO guy since about '03 (rkolsen can surely correct me if I'm wrong though). The female (Lynn Hoffman) will probably stick around for promos. To be honest I didn’t watch much WJZ until recently. It was usually WBAL because that network has the shows and news programming I watch. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4374 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 It's safe to say Pat Garrett's sticking around with the new O&O graphics. He's been the VO guy since about '03 (rkolsen can surely correct me if I'm wrong though). The female (Lynn Hoffman) will probably stick around for promos. Pat Garrett's a great VO. It's just sucked that he had been stuck with absurdly horrible copy for WJZ's news opens under the previous GM (see my signature). Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexTVandRadio 418 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 Via WJZ Instagram... part of the Weather center. I can read the graphics! Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainBAL 93 Posted August 5, 2018 Share Posted August 5, 2018 I hope It's Academic gets a revamped set too because they've been in desperate need for one for a long time. Personally, they also need some serious updates to their countdown clock and people should have the ability to see what the score is like they did in the past. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16007-wjz-drops-eyewitness-news-slowly-rebrands-new-logo-roll-out-and-new-set/page/29/#findComment-209617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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