caliwxdude 254 Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Also, the Fox2 logo on the L3 looks like it was pasted and scaled with MS Paint Eh, that's just the way I grabbed the screenshots. It'll look fine when you're actually viewing it on a TV.
swillh2k2 205 Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 (oh and look at the comments on the new logo https://www.facebook.com/ktvu/photos/a.428021107060.228689.20980557060/10152628442547061/?type=1&theater ) It would be a shame if people stopped watching because they're so ignorant about the fact that the Fox O&O news departments are a completely different entity from Fox News Channel.
C Block 1573 Posted February 2, 2015 Author Posted February 2, 2015 EDIT: Unsurprisingly, weather is now branded as "Weather Authority," and updating KTVU's entry in the great What Does Your Station's Copyright Say? encyclopedia. The copyright was also updated in the old look to reflect the new company. At first, they shoehorned "© 2014 Fox Television Stations, Inc." into the same small strap that previously showed "© 2014 KTVU, Inc." to the point that it was illegible. That was changed a few weeks ago... I think this new look is fine. Yes, it's sad to see another station lose an increasingly rare individualized look for itself, and I'll probably miss the music the most, though the change to the O&O look was inevitable, and it was a change that could have turned out much, much worse.
Mrtraveler01 739 Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 It would be a shame if people stopped watching because they're so ignorant about the fact that the Fox O&O news departments are a completely different entity from Fox News Channel. People were ignorant about comparing KTVU to Fox News when they were owned by Cox, it'll just be worse now. As far as the new look, it will definately take some time to get used to. After years of seeing KTVU hardly using the "Fox" brand, it feels wierd seeing the "laser 2" next to a big "Fox" logo. It's very flashy compared to its competitors in that market. My concern is how FTSG will manage the news department. Not so much political bias as in the crazy crackpot experiments that Abernathy has been conducting at their other O&O's. The O&O's I've seen can tend to be sensationalist and hopefully they keep sticking with what works at KTVU instead of trying to find ways to "improve" it.
Mrtraveler01 739 Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Those weather graphics look so much nicer than what KSAZ is using. They almost look like they're from a future Fox O&O look. The weather map is leftover from their old package.
William1111 41 Posted February 2, 2015 Posted February 2, 2015 Eh, that's just the way I grabbed the screenshots. It'll look fine when you're actually viewing it on a TV. Yeah actually, you're right; I viewed their livestream, it does look much better, there's still something bugging my OCD about it. Eh, whatever, i'm glad they kept the circle lazer 2. It would be a shame if people stopped watching because they're so ignorant about the fact that the Fox O&O news departments are a completely different entity from Fox News Channel. Thank you. I can't even think how many times I've corrected people when they call an O&O newscast "Fox News" I think this new look is fine. Yes, it's sad to see another station lose an increasingly rare individualized look for itself, and I'll probably miss the music the most, though the change to the O&O look was inevitable, and it was a change that could have turned out much, much worse. I'm actually glad they chose the O&O music instead of something else *cough*WJZY "Hey Hey Carolinas"*cough* Also, shouldn't this discussion be on the "Graphics" section of the forum?
cbs2newengland 72 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 a different entity technically means that the O&Os and FNC are owned by two different companies, I think it's important to stress its a seperate operation within the big 21CF
cbs2newengland 72 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I'd like to see the calls kept as a news brand. I'd like to see the bug alternate the Fox logo to the KTVU logo. It give it some stand out material OTTH, I think a serious problem that plagues KTVU is how cold hearted their anchors are. There was one noon close last year where i saw a girl (don't know her name) close out and I could see she has personality that was being held back by the Cox management. I think an improvement to KTVU is to get their news personnel engaged in their market. The GM came from Dedham, and this is how Fox 25 had some fanfare. Now WFXT is KTVU East and it's painful to watch because of the robots taking over the anchor desk. That's all I'll say on that station
caliwxdude 254 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Also, shouldn't this discussion be on the "Graphics" section of the forum? Probably, but someone started this topic in General TV and I didn't want to create yet another KTVU thread so I thought I'd keep it here. Mods, feel free to move this thread.
Andrew2016 2 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 They retained the call letters they are now calling it "KTVU FOX 2 News". Their current studio/set doesn't match the new graphics yet. The weather graphics is a mix of old and new. Overall, I do like the new graphics
cbs2newengland 72 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 One of the reporters (don't know his name) signed off with "KTVU Fox 2 News"
C Block 1573 Posted February 3, 2015 Author Posted February 3, 2015 My concern is how FTSG will manage the news department. Not so much political bias as in the crazy crackpot experiments that Abernathy has been conducting at their other O&O's. The O&O's I've seen can tend to be sensationalist and hopefully they keep sticking with what works at KTVU instead of trying to find ways to "improve" it. Those of you who have been watching KTVU over the last few months will have noticed that Fox management has already tinkered with the newscasts. One of the bigger changes in my opinion is how reporters sign off. Before, whether they were live or taped, they would sign off themselves in their tag ("reporting in xx, xx KTVU Ch. 2 News") and the anchor in the studio would go straight to the next story. I think this looked really clean, though some people interpreted that as being cold. Now, because apparently this is a Fox O&O thing, reporters don't include a sign off, supposedly because the package can then be easily recycled on another station, and also because it forces the anchors to sign off for them with the chance for more unscripted moments, or, yes, "happy talk." They also seem to be trying to mold the morning show away from the same repeat of news, weather, and traffic to more feature segments as is seen on a lot of Good Day formats. Their social media outlets also have been using a lot of video and other stunts to show off the personalities of Dave Clark and Tori Campbell — good luck with that one. One of the better changes the new Fox management has made, however, is to de-emphasize crime. Especially under the last news director, KTVU was very crime heavy. There's now a lot more stories about human interest and local government than merely people getting shot in the leg in Oakland, shot in the arm in Richmond, stabbed in the Bayview, etc. So it's really not all bad, and the branding changes are still really minor compared to everything else.
NewsMaster 226 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Just saw the 6:00 open. They're using the WNYW version. Pretty nice. Scott Chapin is still the VO.
cbs2newengland 72 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 Those of you who have been watching KTVU over the last few months will have noticed that Fox management has already tinkered with the newscasts. One of the bigger changes in my opinion is how reporters sign off. Before, whether they were live or taped, they would sign off themselves in their tag ("reporting in xx, xx KTVU Ch. 2 News") and the anchor in the studio would go straight to the next story. I think this looked really clean, though some people interpreted that as being cold. Now, because apparently this is a Fox O&O thing, reporters don't include a sign off, supposedly because the package can then be easily recycled on another station, and also because it forces the anchors to sign off for them with the chance for more unscripted moments, or, yes, "happy talk." They also seem to be trying to mold the morning show away from the same repeat of news, weather, and traffic to more feature segments as is seen on a lot of Good Day formats. Their social media outlets also have been using a lot of video and other stunts to show off the personalities of Dave Clark and Tori Campbell — good luck with that one. One of the better changes the new Fox management has made, however, is to de-emphasize crime. Especially under the last news director, KTVU was very crime heavy. There's now a lot more stories about human interest and local government than merely people getting shot in the leg in Oakland, shot in the arm in Richmond, stabbed in the Bayview, etc. So it's really not all bad, and the branding changes are still really minor compared to everything else. I saw the "Weather Authority" during the weather block - is that new post swap or was that used before as a Cox O&O?
caliwxdude 254 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I saw the "Weather Authority" during the weather block - is that new post swap or was that used before as a Cox O&O? That's a Fox thing. "KTVU 2 Weather" was technically the previous hero brand (used in the segment stingers), but pretty much everything was promoted as "StormTracker 2," which they're still using alongside "Weather Authority."
cbs2newengland 72 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 That's a Fox thing. "KTVU 2 Weather" was technically the previous hero brand (used in the segment stingers), but pretty much everything was promoted as "StormTracker 2," which they're still using alongside "Weather Authority." I like that tag especially when you localize it with the market like NY's Weather Authority. The Bay Area's Weather Authority would be a nice touch Yet another little thing that never came to New England (and won't come anytime soon with Cox in town.)
Samantha 2905 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 That's a Fox thing. "KTVU 2 Weather" was technically the previous hero brand (used in the segment stingers), but pretty much everything was promoted as "StormTracker 2," which they're still using alongside "Weather Authority." Weather Authority? Kinda funny, ever since Fox and AccuWeather banded together KSAZ hasn't used that (and even when they did they really didn't promote it heavily). Then again KSAZ really is a black sheep in the Fox O&O portfolio in so, so many ways...
nbc11newsclips 0 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 5pm Open: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JX6BbWfHpMg 6pm Open: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uh66D8GsSPM 10pm Open: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx0HfVd5RbE
C Block 1573 Posted February 3, 2015 Author Posted February 3, 2015 "Weather Authority" started showing up as a stinger in the old look. I guess I never realized that was the Fox O&O weather branding, duh. There also seems to be more time for weather. They probably had Bill Martin on air for a lot longer during that Storm-pocalypse last month than they probably would have under previous management.
skbl17 188 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 They're still using the old graphics on the set. Not for long. This is going to take a LOT of getting used to. KTVU was the epitome of "we're Fox, but we're not" over the last couple of decades, but now longtime KTVU viewers wake up on 2/2/15 and see FOX plastered all over KTVU. The angry comments on Facebook are still annoying, but kind of understandable. As for the "Fox News" thing, yeah, it is unbearable how many times people confuse "Fox O&O" with "Fox News Channel", but this popular misconception could actually turn into a real problem at KTVU. Can't wait to see what the next ratings period will have in store from KTVU. KGO, KNTV, and KPIX are probably excited right now. And cbs2newengland, I agree with you on Cox stations' sensationalist obsession with crime. WSB would be a lot more bearable if they didn't report on a stabbing, shooting, hit and run, attempted shooting, attempted stabbing, murder, and arson every twenty seconds. Sometimes, I get the gut feeling that WSB's bloody reporting style actually reinforces negative perceptions of Atlanta by making it seem more crime-ridden than it actually is.
C Block 1573 Posted February 3, 2015 Author Posted February 3, 2015 Can't wait to see what the next ratings period will have in store from KTVU. KGO, KNTV, and KPIX are probably excited right now. Oh, they'll be fine. It's way too easy to assume that average local news viewers actually pay attention or care about station branding. (They don't.) The changes to the actual content of the newscasts have been going on since October. These changes are minor and still don't really take away from all the great reporters and photographers who still are at KTVU. Fox News reporters have been showing up on KTVU for over 15 years now, and most of the straight news reporting from Fox News nationally isn't all that objectionable, so I don't see how droves of viewers are going to tune away because the bug in the corner is different even though the newscast is still otherwise 97% the same that it has always been.
GAnews 2 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 It is the end of an era at KTVU, seeing those openings made me cringe (though I am glad that they kept the laser 2 logo). To those who say that Fox News and O&O news departments are completely different I would disagree. Several Fox O&Os have aired false reports attacking local LGBT non discriminations ordinances saying that "men can now use womens restrooms" (a topic that Fox News LOVES to pedal out all the time). http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/01/28/houston-fox-affiliate-peddles-transphobic-attac/202303 http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/05/29/fox-affiliate-sends-transphobic-reporter-emily/199509 On a completely different subject what is with all the Cox hate here? Yeah their newscasts are OBSESSED with crime but most of their stations are market leaders, they invest in their stations unlike others *cough* sinclair, nexstar *cough*, and run a tight ship and treat their employees well. What's wrong with them?
channel2 982 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 I'd rather that sort of thing wasn't aired anywhere, though they can't be dumb enough to try it in San Francisco...
Rusty Muck 4426 Posted February 3, 2015 Posted February 3, 2015 The funny thing is, self-professed media expert Rich Lieberman completely missed this story, while continuing to obsess over the daily minutia over at KGO 810. It is the end of an era at KTVU, seeing those openings made me cringe (though I am glad that they kept the laser 2 logo). To those who say that Fox News and O&O news departments are completely different I would disagree. Several Fox O&Os have aired false reports attacking local LGBT non discriminations ordinances saying that "men can now use womens restrooms" (a topic that Fox News LOVES to pedal out all the time). http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/01/28/houston-fox-affiliate-peddles-transphobic-attac/202303 http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/05/29/fox-affiliate-sends-transphobic-reporter-emily/199509 The last people I would want to read on an issue like that would be Media Matters for America, an equally biased and partisan organization.
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