TheOneManHerd 553 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Nashville has been stuck at 29 for the last few years. Considering the building boom and a fast population growth they've been experiencing lately, I thought they would actually move up this time. That can be a frustrating thing for stations. Seeing lots of growth in their market, but still not moving up the rankings. The reason for that is simple: the markets ahead of Nashville are growing just as much if not more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
easttxtv 7 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 I don't understand these losses: Dallas-Fort Worth -- 2013-2014 2,655,290 HH 2014-2015 2,603,680 Tyler-Longview -- 2013-2014 270,750 HH 2014-2015 265,070 Amarillo -- 2013-2014 198,540 HH 2014-2015 194,670 Nielsen must have some different kind of abacus or slide rule to make their HH calculations. I know DFW is growing by ~350 to ~400 people average per day. I'm not up on the rates of the other 2 markets, but I know there are *many* more homes in Amarillo than there were when I was living there. I don't know what Nielsen is puffing on but they need to try again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHarry 719 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 That can be a frustrating thing for stations. Seeing lots of growth in their market, but still not moving up the rankings. The reason for that is simple: the markets ahead of Nashville are growing just as much if not more. What if you're Cincinnati? Your market is already chopped up with Dayton and, to a lesser extent, Lexington and you're dropping like a rock. I can't believe they're now 36. Columbus would be No. 31 if not for Zanesville being a separate market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnya2k6 171 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Meanwhile, Anchorage (#147) and Fairbanks (#202) remain unchanged as far as Alaska is concerned. But I doubt Fairbanks will ever get out of the 200's anytime soon, which explains why they've always been a crummy broadcasting market with six over-the-air TV stations (ABC with CW on a sub-channel, CBS, NBC, Fox, PBS, and TBN) and a handful of radio stations. And they're no longer the state's second largest city; Juneau has surpassed them (I wonder if my move to Atlanta last fall had something to do with it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3488 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 What if you're Cincinnati? Your market is already chopped up with Dayton and, to a lesser extent, Lexington and you're dropping like a rock. I can't believe they're now 36. Columbus would be No. 31 if not for Zanesville being a separate market. Athens County Ohio has gone back and forth between Charleston-Huntington and Columbus over the past several years. It's probably not enough to register a blip since the population is grossly inflated by Ohio University students during the school year. Lima has seen swings since it's a multi county DMA and one of the counties has been in and out before, causing the DMA to shoot up and down the lower ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speed053 35 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Chicago (3) is still in the top 3 since then. Seems like Madison, WI (82) is about to beat Paducah (81) almost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkolsen 1679 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Could someone explain to me (preferably with maps showing signal interference) why Hagerstown is part of DMA 8 Washington, D.C.? From here it looks like there is a dead zone, shouldn't it be alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanewsguy 509 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 San Antonio SKYROCKETS from 36 to 33, passing Salt Lake, Milwaukee, and Cincinnati. Austin moves up a spot to 39, as cbs4dallas previously stated. Good. We are the seventh largest city but still the 33rd media market. At least this reflects us more because we are way bigger than SLC, Milwaukee or Cincinnati. As for Austin, really? One spot? I thought they would've been like 35 this year, oh well, maybe next year. Austin is growing rapidly and this jump reflects that. Also, remember, Nielsen calculates based on total viewing households in the market, not population. So an area like OKC may be growing, but maybe people there aren't watching as much TV and are ditching that... That also explains the various discrepancies between cities and DMA rank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Former Member 207 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Some of the nicest and wealthiest suburbs in the United States. Oakland County is among the most affluent counties in the United States with populations over one million. Here are the population statistics for the metro area with percentage increase/decrease: 1950 3,016,197 — 1960 3,762,360 24.7% 1970 4,307,470 14.5% 1980 4,353,365 1.1% 1990 4,382,299 0.7% 2000 4,452,557 1.6% 2010 4,296,250 −3.5% Est. 2013 4,294,983 Oakland County (Southfield, Auburn Hills, Pontiac) is also home of the bulk of Detroit's TV/radio media; the only TV station in Detroit proper is WDIV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breaking News 805 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 What if you're Cincinnati? Your market is already chopped up with Dayton and, to a lesser extent, Lexington and you're dropping like a rock. I can't believe they're now 36. Columbus would be No. 31 if not for Zanesville being a separate market. Columbus is poised to be in the top 30 market in the next few years, Detroit sad to see them plummet idk about that. Houston, Atlanta should be in the top 5-7 status. Cincinnati another market that falling, but very competitive market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tw-804 190 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Richmond-Petersburg's still at #57. (*sigh*) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 846 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Oakland County (Southfield, Auburn Hills, Pontiac) is also home of the bulk of Detroit's TV/radio media; the only TV station in Detroit proper is WDIV. Basically it's all in Southfield and all 2 miles or less north of 8 Mile Rd. Which is the Detroit city limit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damien6786 9 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 St. Louis still at #21 for a decade. the last time St. Louis had change was at 2002 when it drop down to 21 to 22 now back at 21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PitCleTV 9 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 At least Pittsburgh moved up one spot to 22. Finally a little good news for the rust-belt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEOMatrix 1295 Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Youngstown is still stuck at 113 but it's nice to see that Cleveland and Pittsburgh are still top 25 markets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidwestTV 1174 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Kansas City back up to 31. They range between 31 and 33. The highest they've ever been I believe was 30. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewsMaster 226 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 Youngstown is still stuck at 113 but it's nice to see that Cleveland and Pittsburgh are still top 25 markets. Cleveland probably has Akron/Canton to thank. Without Summit and Stark Counties, Cleveland could be in the 25-30 range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PelicanGuy 117 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Ugh, New Orleans STILL hasn't gotten back in the top 50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zer0number 1 Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 Nielsen must have some different kind of abacus or slide rule to make their HH calculations. I know DFW is growing by ~350 to ~400 people average per day. I'm not up on the rates of the other 2 markets, but I know there are *many* more homes in Amarillo than there were when I was living there. I don't know what Nielsen is puffing on but they need to try again. You have to take into account that Neilsen only counts households that have televisions. If you have 100 HH that move into an area, all of whom set up some sort of TV service, but 200 that ditch TV - including OTA for internet services like Hulu, Netflix or just torrenting, then you have a net loss of 100 HH. An increase in population can still result in a decrease in television households (and in my opinion will continue to do so unless cable changes it's business model or Neilsen changes their definition of a 'television household'). Currently advertisers don't accept time-shifted or online viewers, so Neilsen doesn't count them; even though they can (as is my understanding). There are plenty of people who do this as well. I, personally, cannot even receive OTA television (as my TV is old and analog). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thundershock MN 169 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 I don't understand these losses: Dallas-Fort Worth -- 2013-2014 2,655,290 HH 2014-2015 2,603,680 Tyler-Longview -- 2013-2014 270,750 HH 2014-2015 265,070 Amarillo -- 2013-2014 198,540 HH 2014-2015 194,670 Nielsen must have some different kind of abacus or slide rule to make their HH calculations. I know DFW is growing by ~350 to ~400 people average per day. I'm not up on the rates of the other 2 markets, but I know there are *many* more homes in Amarillo than there were when I was living there. I don't know what Nielsen is puffing on but they need to try again. DMA's are not static. Nielsen moves counties (or portions thereof) in and out of DMA's periodically due to viewing patterns. tyrannical bastard brought this up on the last page. As pointed out the Lima and Dayton DMA's have seen dramatic swings due to Auglaize County moving back and forth between the two over the last handful of years. This is of course on top of normal population shifts. I don't know for sure. But, if I was going to wager a guess I'd say some counties (or portions of) moved around in Texas this year. It might help explain San Antonio's big jump as well. You have to take into account that Neilsen only counts households that have televisions. If you have 100 HH that move into an area, all of whom set up some sort of TV service, but 200 that ditch TV - including OTA for internet services like Hulu, Netflix or just torrenting, then you have a net loss of 100 HH. An increase in population can still result in a decrease in television households (and in my opinion will continue to do so unless cable changes it's business model or Neilsen changes their definition of a 'television household'). Your somewhat correct. As of the start of last years rating period (2013-14) Nielsen changed the definition of a television household to "Nielsen’s new definition of a TV household states that homes must have at least one operable TV/monitor with the ability to deliver video via traditional means of antennae, cable set-top-box or satellite receiver and/or with a broadband connection." However, they later choose exclude broadband-only homes until this year. Nielsen was calling the streaming-only households "zero tv households" even if they had a TV. But, barring another reversal (which I don't see happening) households that rely solely on streaming but, have a TV will now be counted as "TV households" going forward. Currently advertisers don't accept time-shifted or online viewers, so Neilsen doesn't count them; even though they can (as is my understanding). There are plenty of people who do this as well. I, personally, cannot even receive OTA television (as my TV is old and analog). Umm... Advertisers have been buying based C3 numbers for awhile now. From Nielsen: "Since 2007, the TV industry has used commercial ratings, not program ratings, to negotiate the price of TV advertising. Nielsen developed C3 in consultation with clients and input from the industry to incorporate time-shifted viewing into TV ratings. C3 measures the average commercial minutes viewed during live programming plus three days of Digital Video Recorder (DVR), Video on Demand (VOD) and Internet playback." And, Nielsen has given their TV ratings in Live, Live+SD (Same Day) or Live+7 (7 Days) for quite some time. So, DVR and VOD playback have been included in the TV ratings for several years provided the spot load is the same. And, starting this year Online/Mobile Viewing will be aggregated into the applicable TV ratings as well again provided the spot load remains the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leavellebrett 85 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Could someone explain to me (preferably with maps showing signal interference) why Hagerstown is part of DMA 8 Washington, D.C.? From here it looks like there is a dead zone, shouldn't it be alone. I live about an hour north of Hagerstown (in PA) and it doesn't make sense. Hagerstown needs to be its own DMA, but that would involve the Johnstown, PA DMA to be redrawn... as well as Harrisburg, Baltimore and DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zer0number 1 Posted September 17, 2014 Share Posted September 17, 2014 Umm... Advertisers have been buying based C3 numbers for awhile now. From Nielsen: "Since 2007, the TV industry has used commercial ratings, not program ratings, to negotiate the price of TV advertising. Nielsen developed C3 in consultation with clients and input from the industry to incorporate time-shifted viewing into TV ratings. C3 measures the average commercial minutes viewed during live programming plus three days of Digital Video Recorder (DVR), Video on Demand (VOD) and Internet playback." And, Nielsen has given their TV ratings in Live, Live+SD (Same Day) or Live+7 (7 Days) for quite some time. So, DVR and VOD playback have been included in the TV ratings for several years provided the spot load is the same. And, starting this year Online/Mobile Viewing will be aggregated into the applicable TV ratings as well again provided the spot load remains the same. I have no doubt I misunderstood what I read. Neilsen may as well be calculus to me. I probably should have just kept quiet. :| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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