TheRob 937 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 The 11:35/10:35 stuff is purely for extra commercials. We (a FOX affil.) program news until 11:02 p.m. I know of a few other stations that have hour-long 10:00 p.m. newscasts in the central or mountain time zones. I think all are ABC affiliates. A programmer always wants a jump on the competition. That's why final segments and credits get squeezed back before a newscast. Our 5:00 p.m. news starts at 4:58:15. Our 6:00 p.m. news starts at 5:57:50. I noticed when visiting my parents recently that Comedy Central will squeeze the end of a show (Futurama in this case) while running the opening sequence of the next show (also Futurama). Episodes were generally starting at :10 and :40 after the hour. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mightynine 290 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 According to Wikipedia, it started in 1991 so NBC affiliates could get extra ad time. If I remember correctly from the Late Shift book, Carson was not happy with the idea, afraid it could mean affiliates would drop a syndicated show and push his start time back to 12:05 in some markets. I'm sure affiliates of other networks said we'd sure like some extra ad time in our late news too and that's why there end at :35 (even in the central time zone). Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEOMatrix 1299 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 The 11:35/10:35 stuff is purely for extra commercials. We (a FOX affil.) program news until 11:02 p.m. I know of a few other stations that have hour-long 10:00 p.m. newscasts in the central or mountain time zones. I think all are ABC affiliates. A programmer always wants a jump on the competition. That's why final segments and credits get squeezed back before a newscast. Our 5:00 p.m. news starts at 4:58:15. Our 6:00 p.m. news starts at 5:57:50. I noticed when visiting my parents recently that Comedy Central will squeeze the end of a show (Futurama in this case) while running the opening sequence of the next show (also Futurama). Episodes were generally starting at :10 and :40 after the hour. Don't get me started on the weird start times on Comedy Central. 3:37, 4:19, 5:58, etc. etc. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToriElectra 292 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 TBS used to do a similar thing back in the early 80s called "Turner Time". They started everything 5 minutes after the hour, letting them have their own place in TV Guide and encouraging people to keep watching if they couldn't find anything else. They dropped it around the late 90s, though. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEOMatrix 1299 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Back on topic, WSYX has its newscast start at 4:25 instead of "4:30" as some of the other stations do. Does any other 4:30 newscast start like that? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTNewsWatch 4 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Back on topic, WSYX has its newscast start at 4:25 instead of "4:30" as some of the other stations do. Does any other 4:30 newscast start like that? News4 Today on WRC starts at 4:26am Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieboy247 42 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 In Central PA, WPMT Fox 43 begins their Morning News at 4AM while WHP is still doing it the old fashioned way, with their news starting at 5AM. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnya2k6 171 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Here in Atlanta, Jimmy Kimmel doesn't hit till 11:37, because it's the Georgia Lottery night drawing at 11:33, followed by two more minutes of commercials and finally Kimmel. That's WSB Channel 2 for you...always pulling the wool out of Atlanta TV viewers' eyes since 1948! WXIA and WGCL, meanwhile, end their late news at 11:31 or :32 before going to Fallon/CBS late night at :35. In Anchorage, KTUU, KTVA, and ABC Alaska (KYUR/KATN/KJUD) go straight to Fallon/CBS/Kimmel at 10:35; KTVF's (Fairbanks) late news ends at 11:32 followed by Fallon. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhratbrat 437 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 WPLG starts their 11 PM news closer to 11:02 PM (to allow for two minutes of Ads starting at 11PM) and they end at like 11:33 PM Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrknowitall526 115 Posted June 24, 2015 Author Share Posted June 24, 2015 Wow, all this is kind of fascinating to me! WPVI's 6 pm show starts at 5:59 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WXmanTim 88 Posted June 24, 2015 Share Posted June 24, 2015 Back on topic, WSYX has its newscast start at 4:25 instead of "4:30" as some of the other stations do. Does any other 4:30 newscast start like that? The network early morning shows give the affiliates the option to do a local "insert" in the last block of that newscasts. Most stations just integrate it into the first half hour. On ABC, the anchors on "America This Morning" end the C block with: "For some of you, you local news is next. For everyone else, America This Morning continues." That last block of ATM usually consists of about :45-:60 worth of weather maps, and a final "kicker" package (depending on the news of the day, it could also be a recap of a breaking story with a push to watch GMA). Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3951 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 I don't know if they still do this but WALA always ended their 9pm newscast about 4 minutes or so into the 10pm hour...leading into syndicated reruns. A dirty little trick to keep viewers from switching over to the other stations... Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRolyPoly 2415 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 WSVN's 10pm newscast always start at 10:01pm after commercials, but starts the 11pm newscast on time at 11pm. WSVN starts with FOX primetime ending at 9:59pm and then 2 minutes of local/national commercials before the 10pm news begins at 10:01pm. WSVN has done this for a long time now. I don't know if other FOX stations do this. I know that WTVT 13, WOFL 35 and some FOX O&O's do this as well. But I'm not sure if any just go straight to the local newscasts. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvcg66b3r 100 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Don't get me started on the weird start times on the Viacom networks. 3:37, 4:19, 5:58, etc. etc. Fixed. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvcg66b3r 100 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 For a while, WPTY (now WATN) started their syndicated afternoon shows at 2:58:30 CT right after the closing credits of General Hospital. Did other ABC affiliates do this? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvcg66b3r 100 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Here in Atlanta, Jimmy Kimmel doesn't hit till 11:37, because it's the Georgia Lottery night drawing at 11:33, followed by two more minutes of commercials and finally Kimmel. That's WSB Channel 2 for you...always pulling the wool out of Atlanta TV viewers' eyes since 1948! Do they do it in Orlando and Charlotte too? I know Cox didn't clear Kimmel the first few seasons. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTNewsWatch 4 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Do they do it in Orlando and Charlotte too? I know Cox didn't clear Kimmel the first few seasons. WSOC goes straight into Kimmel from the 11pm newscast Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glimmer 282 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Last I checked, WISN didn't have a set end to their 10pm newscast. Some nights it would go straight into Kimmel at 11:00 and other times it would wrap right at 10:58. WITI almost always finishes at 10:33 and WTMJ usually wraps at 10:32 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glimmer 282 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 For a while, WPTY (now WATN) started their syndicated afternoon shows at 2:58:30 CT right after the closing credits of General Hospital. Did other ABC affiliates do this? It's not exactly this, but WITI normally starts TMZ at 6:29:15 and a lot of the syndicated programs on WVTV and WCGV tend to start either one to two minutes early or late, especially in late-night. Almost nothing starts exactly on time. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePulse 318 Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Do they do it in Orlando and Charlotte too? I know Cox didn't clear Kimmel the first few seasons. Here, we used to go straight into Kimmel; holdover from the Nightline days; now we just end at 11:32, show commercials leading to Kimmel. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
compubit 673 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 My memories... Back in the late 80s, some CBS stations extended the 11pm/10pm Central & Mountain newscasts to 10:35 for additional packages and/or ads (for some reason WCCO sticks in the memory bank as one of the primary instigators), since the "CBS Crimetime after Primetime" programming was fed at 11pm for the couple of stations not airing late local news. This gave the stations the ability to pre-record the programming to either run it at 11:30, 11:35 or post midnight, if their aired syndicated programming after the late local news. ABC followed suit offering Nightline at 11:35. NBC held off the longest, but finally bowed to affiliate pressure. If memory served, there were a couple of NBC stations doing the delay up officially (they needed a 5 minute delay machine, which by the late 80s/early 90s was much more affordable than it had been. I also think it was done in the Mountain time zone to give the tape operators recording the East Coast feed of late night programming a couple of minutes to rewind the tape (since the 10:30 programming would end at 11:30) - well before there was separate feed for Mountain Time... Basically it was driven by the affiliates for more ad revenue, since they get to keep 100% of revenue during late local news, vs. what in place during network programming (local avails) or syndicated programming (barbers or splits). Remember that this was back in the day when Carson wouldn't acknowledge ABC, CBS, or especially Fox, but refer to it as "on another network"... Jim Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-130226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darius22 122 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 WCBS used to have their news end at 12AM i think so that David letterman's show would be on at that time due to their news being on at 11PM. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-131584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breaking News 829 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 At one time in the 90s KARE 11 didn't air the Tonight Show until 11:05 so Cheers rerun would air right after the 10:00 newscast. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-131596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
moshewx 19 Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 The 11:35 end to the 11PM news was begun by NBC. Supposedly to benefit the Tonight Show Starring Johnny Carson. Personally, I think its just an excuse to add more commercial inventory. You're actually only getting about 90 seconds of actual news during that time, if that. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14476-why-does-the-11-oclock-news-end-at-1135/page/2/#findComment-131599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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