mre29 1537 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Thanks! Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-144872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianpr3 178 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 lol that whdh promo is so ridiculous it's basically so what we're still good etc and the promo is very childish and it shows that Mr. Ansin is an arrogant clown Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-145074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4378 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 lol that whdh promo is so ridiculous it's basically so what we're still good etc and the promo is very childish and it shows that Mr. Ansin is an arrogant clown Industry insiders and analysts predicted doom for WSVN when they went with a tabloid news-heavy format in 1989. And Ed Ansin has laughed all the way to the bank ever since. People are betting against Ed replicating that success with an NBC-less WHDH, but I seriously beg to differ. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-145079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveKendall 30 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Industry insiders and analysts predicted doom for WSVN when they went with a tabloid news-heavy format in 1989. And Ed Ansin has laughed all the way to the bank ever since. While I would not be one to bet against Ed Ansin and the potential success of WHDH as an independent (or CW affiliate), I would argue that Ansin had advantages in Miami in 1989 that he will not have in Boston in 2017. Ansin's 1989 Miami advantages included CBS, for all practical purposes, becoming almost a non-factor in the market. As we know, Miami's CBS affiliation went to WCIX, the former Fox affiliate whose signal didn't cover the whole market. Secondly, CBS prime-time was pretty much in the basement at that point (and Letterman had yet to make the jump to CBS late night), so I doubt few viewers were making it a point to find CBS on its new affiliate (or O&O, as it turned out), let alone watch the newscasts on that station. In 1989, the Miami news race largely remained a 3-way battle between WSVN, WTVJ, and WPLG. Add in the current digital era and the overall fact that the TV landscape is much different than it was 27 years ago. In addition, I'm pretty sure I've heard Ansin state that you can't go as tabloid in Boston as you can in Miami. Still, I wouldn't count Ed out. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-145082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eat News 4745 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Make it personal... Big bad and mean NBC vs Nice old Ed and the sympathetic Boston viewers. "NBC is picking on all of us!" Good guy vs Bad Guy. ..and I think we have all seen that tabloid can work anywhere.... Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-145088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardek1995 200 Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Make it personal... Big bad and mean NBC vs Nice old Ed and the sympathetic Boston viewers. "NBC is picking on all of us!" Good guy vs Bad Guy. ..and I think we have all seen that tabloid can work anywhere.... Especially in Miami and Boston and maybe LA and NYC as well Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-145090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4378 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 While I would not be one to bet against Ed Ansin and the potential success of WHDH as an independent (or CW affiliate), I would argue that Ansin had advantages in Miami in 1989 that he will not have in Boston in 2017. Ansin's 1989 Miami advantages included CBS, for all practical purposes, becoming almost a non-factor in the market. As we know, Miami's CBS affiliation went to WCIX, the former Fox affiliate whose signal didn't cover the whole market. Secondly, CBS prime-time was pretty much in the basement at that point (and Letterman had yet to make the jump to CBS late night), so I doubt few viewers were making it a point to find CBS on its new affiliate (or O&O, as it turned out), let alone watch the newscasts on that station. In 1989, the Miami news race largely remained a 3-way battle between WSVN, WTVJ, and WPLG. Add in the current digital era and the overall fact that the TV landscape is much different than it was 27 years ago. In addition, I'm pretty sure I've heard Ansin state that you can't go as tabloid in Boston as you can in Miami. Still, I wouldn't count Ed out. WNEU's market coverage is arguably far, far worse than WCIX ever was, and WCIX was a known commodity in the Miami market, with an existing news department. CBS bought WCIX as the past of least resistance... they were ticked off at having to be affiliated with an NBC-owned station for 15 months, and wanted their own station as a result. NBC isn't going to be targeting the same audience that normally watches WHDH's newscasts. They're going to go after a pie that's divided between WCVB, WBZ and WFXT... the best NBC can do is try to peel off disillusioned WFXT viewers (at least those who already haven't jumped to WCVB and Maria) and maybe a sliver of WBZ viewers. Of course, with WNEU's nonexistent OTA signal, you would be better off betting all your money on the Browns making the Super Bowl next year. All WHDH has to do is keep on keeping on, and they won't need to worry. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-145155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsbot 271 Posted February 8, 2016 Share Posted February 8, 2016 lol that whdh promo is so ridiculous it's basically so what we're still good etc and the promo is very childish and it shows that Mr. Ansin is an arrogant clown Why is it arrogant to state that the news department won't be dismantled even if the NBC affiliation is going away? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-145171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jero23 105 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 This seems like a very entertaining affiliation switch, indeed. I'm captivated by this situation. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-146026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsbot 271 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 WHDH is adding a 7PM newscast as of March 7; is this the sort of thing a station about to dismantle its news operation does? http://www.newenglandone.com/news/local-news/item/1325-whdh-to-add-7pm-newscast.html Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-146038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennTV1983 804 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 WHDH is adding a 7PM newscast as of March 7; is this the sort of thing a station about to dismantle its news operation does? http://www.newenglandone.com/news/local-news/item/1325-whdh-to-add-7pm-newscast.html WHDH is not dismantling anything. Rather, they're pulling a page out their sister station WSVN's playbook by putting more emphasis on the news than anything else. Are you sure you don't have the station confused with WKPT? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-146045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsbot 271 Posted February 22, 2016 Share Posted February 22, 2016 WHDH is not dismantling anything. Rather, they're pulling a page out their sister station WSVN's playbook by putting more emphasis on the news than anything else. Are you sure you don't have the station confused with WKPT? I was referencing the naysayers who insist that WHDH will pull the plug on its news department once the NBC affiliation goes away. I don't subscribe to that notion in any way, shape or form. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-146053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NewsHound Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Hate to bump an old thread and don't know if this was mentioned elsewhere, but WHDH launches their brand new 7pm newscast tomorrow night. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-146954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
William1111 41 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 don't know if this was mentioned elsewhere. Take a look at the previous page Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-146963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mre29 1537 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 WCVB launched a newscast in that timeslot recently. Is 7pm the new 4am? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-146989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eat News 4745 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 WCVB launched a newscast in that timeslot recently. Is 7pm the new 4am? 7 pm is great if your station group pissed away Wheel and Jeopardy ... KGTV has been doing a 7pm for about 4-5 years. Not sure just how "successful" it is. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-146991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathannah 2444 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Usually not in the Midwest states where there's that removed extra hour. But the tabloid shows have been diminishing thanks to the Internet allowing you to get the inane entertainment news out of the way and the syndicators haven't launched a new one in ten years. Unless you have the Sony game shows or at the very least Family Feud, you either put news on there or just take the scratch with a sitcom before primetime. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-147015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NewsHound Posted March 8, 2016 Share Posted March 8, 2016 Take a look at the previous page Duly noted, thanks! Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-147043 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mvcg66b3r 100 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 WHDH Suing Comcast Over Loss Of Affiliation Sunbeam Television, owner of WHDH Boston, today filed suit against Comcast in federal court in Boston over NBC’s January announcement that it intends to terminate its 22-year affiliation with WHDH at the end of 2016. NBC is a unit of Comcast. NBC plans to create an O&O in the market, using WNEU, which now airs NBC's Telemundo. WHDH says that WNEU’s signal does not reach nearly four million greater Boston residents who currently receive WHDH’s signal, including residents in primarily minority communities such as Roxbury, Dorchester, Mattapan and Brockton. Most of those residents, WHDH claims, would have to purchase cable service from Comcast if they want to keep receiving NBC programming. WHDH says that when Comcast bought NBC in 2011, “there was widespread concern about the impact this unprecedented accumulation of power in the television industry would have on viewers and other market participants. "Particularly in markets like Boston, where Comcast is the dominant cable provider, citizen groups, industry participants and government agencies expressed concern that Comcast would seek to leverage its cable holdings and in the process degrade its broadcasting presence and diminish the important public service role that broadcast television stations historically have played.” To address those concerns, Comcast promised its NBC affiliates (including WHDH) that it would negotiate affiliate extensions in good faith such that over the air access would be maintained, and cable interests would not influence those negotiations. As part of the FCC’s approval of Comcast’s acquisition of NBC, the FCC adopted these same conditions in order to protect the public interest. WHDH said that it believes that “Comcast has violated these conditions. It also believes that Comcast’s actions violate Massachusetts law prohibiting unfair and deceptive business practices. Finally, WHDH believes that Comcast’s actions violate federal and state antitrust laws because they have enabled Comcast to increase its monopoly power in the Boston television market, and the resulting decrease in competition will harm consumers, advertisers and other broadcasters.” In its suit, WHDH is seeking an injunction and an order requiring Comcast to comply with its obligations under its agreement with WHDH and the FCC order. WHDH will also seek damages. http://www.tvnewscheck.com/article/93008/whdh-suing-comcast-over-loss-of-affiliation Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-147256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeters 1916 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Called it. This should be fun. Something tells me this won't end well for Comcast/NBC. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-147259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mre29 1537 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 This is what Comcast gets for low-balling their offer to buy WHDH. If they wanted an NBC O&O so badly, they should've offered more money. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-147270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkolsen 1684 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I don't know if this holds true but a commenter on TVNewsCheck said that WJAR's signal will cover most of the lost coverage area. http://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=2001794&map=Y&contour=Y&int=N&pop=N&incpop=&excpop=&z1=N&lprw=N&head=Y&asrn=&extras=616149%2C1412025&cir=&circen=41.8653888889%2C-71.2869444444 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-147274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eat News 4745 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 Called it. This should be fun. Something tells me this won't end well for Comcast/NBC. My take is that it will never go to trial and both parties will settle out of court. The details of that settlement will be sealed and confidential. I know a lot of you get emotionally invested in this stuff...and that's fine (I'm interested also) I think it's safe to assume that NBC is banking on dragging this out in the hopes that Ed just dies. But if Ed outlast NBC I bet Sunbeam/Ed scores some cash out of the deal just to "go away". Now if Ed is still with NBC in 1 year...we will know who won. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-147275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeters 1916 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 My take is that it will never go to trial and both parties will settle out of court. The details of that settlement will be sealed and confidential. I know a lot of you get emotionally invested in this stuff...and that's fine (I'm interested also) I think it's safe to assume that NBC is banking on dragging this out in the hopes that Ed just dies. But if Ed outlast NBC I bet Sunbeam/Ed scores some cash out of the deal just to "go away". Now if Ed is still with NBC in 1 year...we will know who won. I personally wouldn't be shocked to see an out-of-court settlement one bit, but I would consider that a "win" for Ed/Sunbeam. An extra couple million in the bank just allows them to ramp up against the new NBC operation. I really cannot imagine this ending in a "win" for NBC/Comcast. They will pay up one way or another. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-147281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eat News 4745 Posted March 10, 2016 Share Posted March 10, 2016 I personally wouldn't be shocked to see an out-of-court settlement one bit, but I would consider that a "win" for Ed/Sunbeam. An extra couple million in the bank just allows them to ramp up against the new NBC operation. I really cannot imagine this ending in a "win" for NBC/Comcast. They will pay up one way or another. It really is too bad that we my never know, because this is one of the juicier media brawls along with that MG/NBC26 thing. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14838-boston-tv-crisis-whdh-and-wneu/page/19/#findComment-147282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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