nomadcowatbk 149 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-164954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadcowatbk 149 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Extra seems like another show that the peacock may try and pluck away from WHDH. Ansin should take a page from KUSI's playbook and apply that model if he wants to be a successful independent. He could start by having increased High School sports coverage... high school sports might work as cheap filler but are high school sports really that popular New England like they are in small town Kansas? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-164955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadcowatbk 149 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 That explains Trump. you would think the Fox stations in the small markets that where Trump won the biggest would get many viewers hoping for "fair and balanced" local news Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-164956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A3N 1002 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 high school sports might work as cheap filler but are high school sports really that popular New England like they are in small town Kansas? Well it's certainly worth a shot to try. Many people didn't think that KUSI's Prep Pickskin Report on Friday nights would be so popular, but close to 20 years later, the program is going strong and virtually every high schooler in the county knows about it. Ansin's problem is that he's too stubborn. Instead of coming up with a strong contingency plan for losing the NBC affiliation, he decided to fight Comcast, knowing full well that it was a long shot. He took the easy way out in programming more news for his station. He's known for almost a year now that he was losing NBC, why didn't he boost his syndication acquisition in early 2016 to get WHDH ready as an independent? If he starts to lose a lot of money and viewers, it won't all be because of the lack of an affiliation, rather due to his stubbornness and inability to adapt to changes. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-164957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmediaguy 123 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 high school sports might work as cheap filler but are high school sports really that popular New England like they are in small town Kansas? No. Professional sports rules here. High school is nothing like it is in the south. Even college sports are not as popular as elsewhere even for the higher-ed mecca that is Boston. (There are two exceptions, both specific events: The Beanpot hockey tournament in February and the Harvard-Yale football game in November.) Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-164961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsbot 271 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 high school sports might work as cheap filler but are high school sports really that popular New England like they are in small town Kansas? Mike Lynch on Channel 5 does his weekly "High 5" stories about local high school teams, but you don't see WCVB covering HS sports beyond that. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-164964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroupWBZ 73 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 (There are two exceptions, both specific events: The Beanpot hockey tournament in February and the Harvard-Yale football game in November.) And even then that's still a niche following on both accounts. Neither are appointment television like Patriots are every Sunday. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-164974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1715 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 you would think the Fox stations in the small markets that where Trump won the biggest would get many viewers hoping for "fair and balanced" local news Those stations are typically Sinclair and Nexstar owned. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsbot 271 Posted January 3, 2017 Share Posted January 3, 2017 Well, WHDH has something to crow about - solid ratings on January 2nd in the money demo. Can't read too much into the numbers, of course; this is the very definition of "small sample size." http://www.newenglandone.com/news/local/boston/strong-start-for-whdh-as-independent-news-station.html Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165037 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mre29 1519 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Am I the only one who's noticed that WLVI still has the 10pm news, only now it's simulcast on WHDH? I wonder how long that's going to continue. I imagine the folks at WFXT are not happy about it, since it looks like WHDH is cheating at ratings. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRolyPoly 2415 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Am I the only one who's noticed that WLVI still has the 10pm news, only now it's simulcast on WHDH? I wonder how long that's going to continue. I imagine the folks at WFXT are not happy about it, since it looks like WHDH is cheating at ratings. Don't worry, I've noticed as well. I guess its to keep up with tradition of having a 10pm newscast on WLVI since its been around on that station since forever it feels like. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadcowatbk 149 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Those stations are typically Sinclair and Nexstar owned. do they have FNC style "fair and balanced" news? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathannah 2429 Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Don't worry, I've noticed as well. I guess its to keep up with tradition of having a 10pm newscast on WLVI since its been around on that station since forever it feels like. I wouldn't doubt that if it doesn't do well during this month and February even with the Pats that we'll be seeing a whole lot of 'special' notations in the Nielsens to try to muddy the waters. If there's one thing that annoys me about local Nielsens is how liberal stations can use that 'special' notation to exclude bad days. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4374 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Here's an answer to the original question, "why is WSVN able to continue calling its morning newscast 'Today in Florida?'" Turns out it was a preemptive strike by Ed Ansin during Sunbeam's nasty breakup with NBC that spilled out into the courtroom months after the fact. NBC GETS PETTY There's no excuse, however, for some of the petty moves NBC has pulled since the divorce was finalized. Just as WSVN was getting on its feet as an independent, it received a letter from NBC ordering it to cease and desist calling its morning wake-up show Today in Florida. The network contended this infringed on the good name of its Today Show, and could confuse the audience. Sure, and people take vacations to Hollywood, Fla., all the time thinking they are going to visit studios and run into movie stars. Let's just suppose NBC was within its rights. Considering the circumstances of the breakup, wouldn't it have been big of the network to say, "Hey, WSVN was always square with us, and it really got shafted in this deal. Why don't we just let this slide. How much harm can them calling their show Today in Florida do us?" But NBC chose to be small. That's what made it all the more delicious when it turned out WSVN had a trademark on the name of its program, and didn't have to surrender it. And now you know. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriangleTriadMediaNews 267 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Wonder if WHDH would pick up some BoSox games this year? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroupWBZ 73 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Wonder if WHDH would pick up some BoSox games this year? Unfortunately for 'HDH this will never happen because NESN is owned by the Red Sox so they're give up any games outside of the ones that get broadcast nationally. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRolyPoly 2415 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Here's an answer to the original question, "why is WSVN able to continue calling its morning newscast 'Today in Florida?'" Turns out it was a preemptive strike by Ed Ansin during Sunbeam's nasty breakup with NBC that spilled out into the courtroom months after the fact. And now you know. Wow! That's interesting. Thanks for finding that! I never knew that and now I know. Love finding tidbits about WSVN (that's why I'm WSVNFan. I love The News Station). Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadcowatbk 149 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Unfortunately for 'HDH this will never happen because NESN is owned by the Red Sox so they're give up any games outside of the ones that get broadcast nationally. when does the deal end? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A3N 1002 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 when does the deal end? The deal doesn't end. The team owns the network, thus can continue to air the games until they either sell the channel or sell some games out to a different entity (not likely to happen). The Red Sox/NESN will be very reluctant to sell some games to another entity as that will definitely reduce the amount they can charge the tv providers for the channel. and I believe Comcast and FOX have offered to buy NESN in the past, but Werner/Henry refused. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TriangleTriadMediaNews 267 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 [quote name='GroupWBZ']Unfortunately for 'HDH this will never happen because NESN is owned by the Red Sox so they're give up any games outside of the ones that get broadcast nationally.[/QUOTE] Even in terms of a simulcast? Here in DC, WUSA has rights to about 15 Nats games a year that still get aired on the main MASN feed, I believe WJZ has a similar deal w/ the Orioles. @rkolsen it's still WJZ that has it, right? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkolsen 1684 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 [quote name='TriangleTriadMediaNews']Even in terms of a simulcast? Here in DC, WUSA has rights to about 15 games a year that still get aired on the main MASN feed, I believe WJZ has a similar deal w/ the Orioles. @rkolsen it's still WJZ that has it, right?[/QUOTE] As far as I know. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroupWBZ 73 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 [quote name='TriangleTriadMediaNews']Even in terms of a simulcast? Here in DC, WUSA has rights to about 15 Nats games a year that still get aired on the main MASN feed, I believe WJZ has a similar deal w/ the Orioles. @rkolsen it's still WJZ that has it, right?[/QUOTE] I've never seen it happen. The last time I remember anyone outside of NESN or the national networks (FOX, TBS, etc.) broadcasting Red Sox games locally was when WFXT produced a handful of games, but that hasn't been for at least 10 years. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdex86 53 Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 I've never seen it happen. The last time I remember anyone outside of NESN or the national networks (FOX, TBS, etc.) broadcasting Red Sox games locally was when WFXT produced a handful of games, but that hasn't been for at least 10 years. The last time Red Sox games were available OTA was in 2005, when WSBK aired Friday night games. Starting with the 2006 season, all non-national games moved to NESN: http://archive.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/01/29/for_unlucky_ones_sox_out_of_sight/ Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A3N 1002 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 [quote name='TriangleTriadMediaNews']Even in terms of a simulcast? Here in DC, WUSA has rights to about 15 Nats games a year that still get aired on the main MASN feed, I believe WJZ has a similar deal w/ the Orioles. @rkolsen it's still WJZ that has it, right?[/QUOTE] They can simulcast, but why would they? It will only dilute viewership from NESN, thus affecting how much they could charge for the channel. Also, the situation with MASN is different since the Orioles and Nationals co-own the network, with Baltimore having a controlling interest in it. Orioles owner Peter Angelos purposefully keeps the channel price down for MASN in order to pay the Nationals less money... basically, he's not looking to extract full monetary value from his network, the Red Sox (and every other MLB team are). Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsbot 271 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 WHDH took full advantage of its independent status in coverage of the Ft. Lauderdale shooting this afternoon. They talked to local officials about the implications of the shooting and preparedness in handling a similar scenario at Logan or some other regional airport. And of course, the shooting happened in sister station WSVN's backyard. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15486-whdh-independent-edition/page/3/#findComment-165267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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