Webovision 202 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Oh, how the mighty have fallen... Giant Octopus/FX Group have taken another step towards being completely unoriginal. they now offer three syndicated graphics packages that are blatant rip-offs of other designer's work. "look c" looks an awful lot like the current Scripps package: http://vimeo.com/98960904 "look A" looks like the tribune fox package: http://vimeo.com/m/98959025 can anyone put their thumb on the "inspiration" for this one? http://vimeo.com/m/98960244 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24994J 5278 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Not going to lie, I kinda like "Look C", but overall, this mentality is just pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daybreak 269 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Look B has some elements to the CBS O&O graphic package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel2 870 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 ...and those reels don't even show the graphics moving. What happened over there? The sale to FX Group seems to have done a real number on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 846 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Look C is a carbon copy of the Renderon Scripps graphics except the forecast graphics, it's better than the real thing for one reason: it's blue, no orange bars and lines all over. That angled blue live at the beginning looks an awful lot like what WLS has at the beginning of it's openings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidwestTV 1173 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Look C honestly doesn't look too bad. It would be a good refresh for Scripps' package actually. Heck, and argument could even be made that it's slightly better than the current Scripps package, like what ns8401 said up there above me. Although yeah, to show a demo of graphics and then have the "demo" be filled with nothing but a few stills isn't really a demo at all. I don't know what that last one is supposed to be based off of though. Why did GO and FX Group even merge in the first place? GO was so much better off on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeters 1811 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 ...and those reels don't even show the graphics moving. What happened over there? The sale to FX Group seems to have done a real number on them. I think everyone left. I think they initially let a lot of the GO designers go, then the two founding members of GO left and started their own thing. So at this point I think they just try to sell stuff using a once respected name. Some of the best work they've done recently wasn't even done by them, it was contracted out to Cake Studios. These aren't that bad, and might be a way for low budget operations to get decent graphics, but the idea that they're literally just pushing knockoffs is kind of... odd. Though, I don't know. By the sounds of it, that's how most of these deals go anyways. Someone at the station just points at something someone else has and goes "That. I want that!" FX's sets are a prime example of this. Might as well do the same with graphics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1554 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 I think everyone left. I think they initially let a lot of the GO designers go, then the two founding members of GO left and started their own thing. So at this point I think they just try to sell stuff using a once respected name. Some of the best work they've done recently wasn't even done by them, it was contracted out to Cake Studios. These aren't that bad, and might be a way for low budget operations to get decent graphics, but the idea that they're literally just pushing knockoffs is kind of... odd. Though, I don't know. By the sounds of it, that's how most of these deals go anyways. Someone at the station just points at something someone else has and goes "That. I want that!" FX's sets are a prime example of this. Might as well do the same with graphics. Like, I don't know, creating and managing Blue Helio? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1554 Posted June 28, 2014 Share Posted June 28, 2014 Look C honestly doesn't look too bad. It would be a good refresh for Scripps' package actually. Heck, and argument could even be made that it's slightly better than the current Scripps package, like what ns8401 said up there above me. Although yeah, to show a demo of graphics and then have the "demo" be filled with nothing but a few stills isn't really a demo at all. I don't know what that last one is supposed to be based off of though. Why did GO and FX Group even merge in the first place? GO was so much better off on its own. Look C may be Scripps. Nay we not forget that it looks like WBNS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColumbusNewsFan 217 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Look C may be Scripps. Nay we not forget that it looks like WBNS! I would say that is a total beefed up knock off of WBNS where it is actually better in some places. On Look B, FOX CT's look. and Look A is The Tribune FOX look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1554 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I would say that is a total beefed up knock off of WBNS where it is actually better in some places. True. WBNS's package was subcontracted to MadeinBrain in Turkey. So I bet that this is a conscious evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanewsguy 509 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 So GO doesn't even do their own work, they just outsource it? I know I read the same thing here when they did the Live with Regis and Kelly and apparently those were outsourced too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1554 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 So GO doesn't even do their own work, they just outsource it? I know I read the same thing here when they did the Live with Regis and Kelly and apparently those were outsourced too... No. Some works. For example: KTVT, the old Media General package, WISH tv package, WSYR package, WFSB package and WUSA package. See here: http://www.madeinbraindesign.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTSC1980 98 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 They also made WTVG graphics, which was once ABC O&O: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroiter313 178 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I just don't get it: On the Giant Octopus reel, it says the WSYR package was created for CBS affiliate KPSP in Palm Springs, while on the Made In Brain reel, the package was created for WSYR. Big question is, which package is created for which station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidwestTV 1173 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 hmmm wow these MadeInBrain people actually do some pretty good work, although it is still very odd that they're claiming they created a lot of the packages that Giant Octopus claims they made (and to which we've believed now for the longest). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanewsguy 509 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 I just don't get it: On the Giant Octopus reel, it says the WSYR package was created for CBS affiliate KPSP in Palm Springs, while on the Made In Brain reel, the package was created for WSYR. Big question is, which package is created for which station? WSYR had it first. KPSP got it around 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detroiter313 178 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 WSYR had it first. KPSP got it around 2008. Thanks for clearing that out (the confusion, that is.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSZNews 1046 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Not that it excuses the current syndie offerings, but with the exception of WBNS 2012, the rest of the packages are old enough to make me wonder if whoever is currently at MadeInBrain previously freelanced at GO, then jumped ship or started their own thing or whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1554 Posted June 30, 2014 Share Posted June 30, 2014 Not that it excuses the current syndie offerings, but with the exception of WBNS 2012, the rest of the packages are old enough to make me wonder if whoever is currently at MadeInBrain previously freelanced at GO, then jumped ship or started their own thing or whatever. That's not accurate based on the given information on the MadeinBrain site. For every package created for G.O. except WBNS, the tag below the montage says: Client: Giant Octopus Concept, design, animation: MADEINBRAIN But for WBNS, the tag says: Client: FX Group Design, animation: MADEINBRAIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel2 870 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Giant Octopus also made the early 2000s KMGH graphics: So yeah, they were a major force in broadcast design for a good while. I know they've been accused of plagiarizing Hothaus at times, but aside from that it's sad that they've withered to almost nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1554 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Giant Octopus also made the early 2000s KMGH graphics: So yeah, they were a major force in broadcast design for a good while. I know they've been accused of plagiarizing Hothaus at times, but aside from that it's sad that they've withered to almost nothing. We can't say that! Blue Helio has taken their place. Same designers with new ideas. The name may be history, but the ideas sure aren't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanewsguy 509 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 We can't say that! Blue Helio has taken their place. Same designers with new ideas. The name may be history, but the ideas sure aren't! I'm so tired of you continuing to push Blue Helio every opportunity you get. Until there's any sort of significant and legitimate proof they exist, I'm not buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1554 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 I'm so tired of you continuing to push Blue Helio every opportunity you get. Until there's any sort of significant and legitimate proof they exist, I'm not buying it. Ok. I completely understand (I'm just excited; sorry). I'll see if I can get an official statement from Rey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Block 1489 Posted July 1, 2014 Share Posted July 1, 2014 Giant Octopus also made the early 2000s KMGH graphics: So yeah, they were a major force in broadcast design for a good while. I know they've been accused of plagiarizing Hothaus at times, but aside from that it's sad that they've withered to almost nothing. That was a nice one. I liked it better than the Hothaus graphics that replaced it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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