JCB4TV 347 Posted May 8, 2017 Share Posted May 8, 2017 With WNEU moving from RF 34 to RF 29, as per Rabbitears.info, would it be possible for NBCU to move the transmitter site to Needham when it come time to leave RF 46 and construct RF 29? Just a thought. I know this may also require a change in City of License. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-172778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel99 45 Posted May 10, 2017 Share Posted May 10, 2017 They probably could move WNEU to Needham, at least technically. Checking the maps for post-repack channels on the rabbitears.info site shows the only ch 29 they would be moving closer to is in Riverhead, L.I. and the spacing would be about 125 miles. Adjacent channels would be in Hartford and New Haven at about 90 miles. At the worst there might have to be a slight notch to the southwest. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-173194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Youncinator 3 Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Given the problem multi path was on VHF for WHDH in 2009 immediately after the digital conversion, is WWDP feasible for NBC Boston? A modest power increase would conflict with WTNH. Second guessing the repack, would it have made sense to have WLNE and WJAR go back to VHF, joining WPRI, WNAC and soon WSBE in an all VHF Rehoboth, while freeing up RF 24 and RF 25 ? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-173337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCB4TV 347 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 Given the problem multi path was on VHF for WHDH in 2009 immediately after the digital conversion, is WWDP feasible for NBC Boston? A modest power increase would conflict with WTNH. Second guessing the repack, would it have made sense to have WLNE and WJAR go back to VHF, joining WPRI, WNAC and soon WSBE in an all VHF Rehoboth, while freeing up RF 24 and RF 25 ? As per the FCC, WWDP transmits from Bridgewater on RF 10, and from the looks of it, they're stuck there, cannot move to Needham, as it would cause issues with WTNH & WCBB, who are both already on RF 10, and WMUR on RF 9. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-173408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel99 45 Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 I don't think WTNH or WCBB would matter, actually it may be a move slightly away from WTNH - but adjacent channel interference to WMUR and WENH on ch 11 is likely a problem. WWDP has a very choppy coverage area now. Their antenna height is less than 500 feet, compared to the 12 -1300 feet of the Needham towers. The low antenna means a lot of terrain blocking. Some of the new channel assignments are undoubtedly based on the repack phases, and there may be some changes available later. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-173424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven 1955 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Could NBC Boston be on the move? I've just read this Globe article from March 29th that NBC plans on moving its "regional headquarters" to an office park in Needham. The move would consolidate its NBC/NECN/Telemundo ops with CSNNE (soon-to-be NBCSNE; both are currently housed in Newton & Burlington respectively) into one building. Should the move goes through, it would be completed by early 2019. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel2 979 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I didn't see the stuff about WBIN possibly being sold to Univision until now, so I'm wondering, would Entravision be open to selling WUNI to NBC? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianpr3 178 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Needham? isn't channel 5 located there too? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtFromGulfcoast 708 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I didn't see the stuff about WBIN possibly being sold to Univision until now, so I'm wondering, would Entravision be open to selling WUNI to NBC? Maybe WUNI would inherit WBIN's syndicated shows and be sold to Hearst or Cox. Honestly, NBC should have made its move long before disaffiliating from WHDH. It could have bought WWDP, WMFP, or WBPX and been in a better position. But it wouldnt surprise me to see a full powered WBTS as the end game. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel2 979 Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Could NBC boost WBTS's power? Would they have to give up VC 8? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven 1955 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 The limit for an LP or Class-A LP for a UHF station is 15 kW. WBTS is currently at 11.2 kW. So even if they boost its power to that point, it won't really make much of a difference, in terms of signal strength. Also, I don't see NBC losing VC 8, at least for WBTS-LD. But if you think NBC would move VC 8 to a full-power allotment (should they obtain one), then the FCC wouldn't allow that to happen, because it would interfere with WMTW & WTNH, since they also use VC 8. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mre29 1523 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 I still think they should've gone with VC 15. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4374 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Maybe WUNI would inherit WBIN's syndicated shows and be sold to Hearst or Cox. Honestly, NBC should have made its move long before disaffiliating from WHDH. It could have bought WWDP, WMFP, or WBPX and been in a better position. But it wouldnt surprise me to see a full powered WBTS as the end game. Is WBIN's program inventory that valuable to justify retaining it? Plus Cox needs to fix what they needlessly broke at WFXT before creating a duopoly. WWDP is still available. And NBC needs a relay for WBTS to cover the market once their WMFP subchannel relay goes bye-bye. Buying WWDP or leasing a subchannel is the only solution available. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkolsen 1684 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 [quote name='CircleSeven']Could NBC Boston be on the move? I've just read this [URL='https://www.bostonglobe.com/business/2017/03/29/nbcuniversal-plans-new-regional-headquarters-needham/oQBIOd8ghWpUxG6X54hNBK/story.html'][I]Globe[/I] article[/URL] from March 29th that NBC plans on moving its "regional headquarters" to an office park in Needham. The move would consolidate its NBC/NECN/Telemundo ops with CSNNE (soon-to-be NBCSNE; both are currently housed in Newton & Burlington respectively) into one building. Should the move goes through, it would be completed by early 2019.[/QUOTE] Good catch @CircleSeven ! Can't believe this flew under our radar. It makes sense and all to have everything under one big spacious roof. Of course some of the commenters are complaint about the tax breaks and how Comcast and NBC loves to take them. Chances are if this were any other company contemplating a move to a knew location, with that many employees and prospects of significant income they'd get tax breaks as well. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel2 979 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 This is probably really out there, but...could Comcast theoretically deal KNTV to Cox for WFXT? It would relieve Cox of their unwanted problem station, and get them back into the Bay Area. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkolsen 1684 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 This is probably really out there, but...could Comcast theoretically deal KNTV to Cox for WFXT? It would relieve Cox of their unwanted problem station, and get them back into the Bay Area. But would Cox want a signal that barely reaches San Francisco proper? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel2 979 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Oh wow it still doesn't? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkolsen 1684 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Oh wow it still doesn't? Wait it appears KNTV moved or rabbit ears updated their site. I could have sworn both they and KSTS were to the south east. https://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=1087047&map=N&contour=Y&int=N&pop=N&incpop=&excpop=&z1=N&nrqz=N&lprw=N&head=Y&asrn=&extras=592340&cir=&circen=37.685194444444,-122.43458333333 Edit: this was the location I always thought their tower was on and was the primary link for ages. https://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=429181&map=N&contour=Y&int=N&pop=N&incpop=&excpop=&z1=N&nrqz=N&lprw=N&head=Y&asrn=&extras=&cir=&circen=37.111111111111%2C-121.84388888889 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtFromGulfcoast 708 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Plus Cox needs to fix what they needlessly broke at WFXT before creating a duopoly. I stand corrected. But why not retain the inventory? Just my two cents. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtFromGulfcoast 708 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 This is probably really out there, but...could Comcast theoretically deal KNTV to Cox for WFXT? It would relieve Cox of their unwanted problem station, and get them back into the Bay Area. And then Fox would end up on WHDH, making it truly Boston's reflection of WSVN. Worst case scenario, NBC has to lease a subchannel from WCVB. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175439 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eat News 4745 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 And then Fox would end up on WHDH, making it truly Boston's reflection of WSVN. Worst case scenario, NBC has to lease a subchannel from WCVB. Can NBC lease from a non-com? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175440 Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel2 979 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 And then Fox would end up on WHDH, making it truly Boston's reflection of WSVN. Worst case scenario, NBC has to lease a subchannel from WCVB. I'm sure NBC would find that shameful and would do anything in their power to avoid it. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4374 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Worst case scenario, NBC has to lease a subchannel from WCVB. Through the magic of PSIP, NBC could lease a subchannel from WCVB and still have it mapped out as "60.5", with no mention of WCVB's "5" PSIP channel ID. And besides a microscopic TOH screen crawl, you won't be able to see it's coming from WCVB's spectrum. For a worst case scenario, it's fairly workable and beats the alternative. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175443 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4374 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 This is probably really out there, but...could Comcast theoretically deal KNTV to Cox for WFXT? It would relieve Cox of their unwanted problem station, and get them back into the Bay Area. But is it an even trade? Fox had to give up both WFXT and WFXT for KTVU/KICU, along with some monetary considerations. And KNTV is not only in market #4, but has a Telemundo sister station in KSTS, a Comcast RSN (NBC Sports Bay Area) and a CNBC Silicon Valley news bureau. It's a pretty significant asset to Comcast-NBC. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtFromGulfcoast 708 Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 I'm sure NBC would find that shameful and would do anything in their power to avoid it. There are still more embarrassing things that NBC would have to resort to. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15356-wbts-home-of-nbc-boston/page/27/#findComment-175464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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