Rusty Muck 4378 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Tribune needs to stop selling themselves! I swear. It wasn’t their fault that the previous sale attempt cratered after the buyer acted in less than bad faith. Starboard Value has an investment in Tribune for only one reason, to induce a sale of the company, no matter what. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215060 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4378 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 They won't sell anything. Hicks will want the group to grow and will be a buyer. At some point soon, the caps are going to be loosened up. That's the only reason Cerberus & Hicks would be getting into the broadcasting business again. LOL. That’s not the case. The KKRs, George Gillettes and Bain Gocoms of the world will only be getting back in the game to cash out in a bigger way. And depending on the date of the midterms, the ownership cap will remain at 39%. Make that, the ownership cap is remaining at 39%, no matter what. So in other words, Fox won't get a single thing out of Tribune, not even a single Tribune station??? Ok then... That’s not true. Fox has lusted after KCPQ for nearly a decade, and if a hedge fund buys Tribune with clear intent to sell for maximum value, the stage is more than set. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman748 1256 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 That’s not true. Fox has lusted after KCPQ for nearly a decade, and if a hedge fund buys Tribune with clear intent to sell for maximum value, the stage is more than set. Thank you this is why Tribune should not sell all at once, even though they will (most likely) do so Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4378 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Thank you this is why Tribune should not sell all at once, even though they will (most likely) do so The people currently investing in Tribune want the company to sell itself right now, and after the Sinclair fiasco, can you blame them? Problem is, there is no broadcast chain able to acquire the company in a singular transaction with the bare minimum of divestitures. Don’t think David Smith’s attempts to be cute with shelling out WGN-TV aren’t playing into this, they certainly did with Gray-Raycom, and they’ll affect future M&As for awhile. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouGrant 14 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Apologies if it's been mentioned already, but does anyone think Berkshire Hathaway could be a potential buyer? They certainly have the money, and could easily get under the cap by spinning off WPHL/KDAF/KIAH, etc. to Fox and/or Tegna. Who knows whether they want to place a heavy bet on the future viability of broadcast TV, but at the right price maybe? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman748 1256 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 The people currently investing in Tribune want the company to sell itself right now, and after the Sinclair fiasco, can you blame them? Problem is, there is no broadcast chain able to acquire the company in a singular transaction with the bare minimum of divestitures. Don’t think David Smith’s attempts to be cute with shelling out WGN-TV aren’t playing into this, they certainly did with Gray-Raycom, and they’ll affect future M&As for awhile. So not even the companies that are far below the cap (with and/or without the Discount) like Graham won't be able to acquire Tribune outright right? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColtFromGulfcoast 709 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 I feel like we can't say this enough here. NO company, whether your name is Nexstar, Graham, Hicks, Berkshire Hathaway or anyone else, will be able to acquire this whole company in one transaction. It is too big and to try to do that will just create more drama than there should be. Tribune should just sell piecemeal and take the cash they get. Better to do that than to waste everyone's precious time with all of this madness. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eat News 4745 Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 So in the end... Tribune will not be too big to fail... They are just too BIG to sell. Oh the humanity! Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215088 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenShine9 1513 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 So not even the companies that are far below the cap (with and/or without the Discount) like Graham won't be able to acquire Tribune outright right? Correct, since they are already over the cap without the UHF discount (which is in court), so even a company with zero assets would go over it by necessity. Many companies would go over the cap *even with* the discount. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman748 1256 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Correct, since they are already over the cap without the UHF discount (which is in court), so even a company with zero assets would go over it by necessity. Many companies would go over the cap *even with* the discount. Then Starboard just doesn't care, because if they'd known that Tribune can't be swallowed up by one company we wouldn't be having this conversation. But they're all about the almighty dollar hence why we're having this conversation Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mre29 1537 Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Fox stands to be at a better position getting all the stations they want, with a hedge fund buyer with no other investments keeping all the rest. It’s the only possible scenario with a truly clean outcome that’s in Fox’s favor. So, let's see if I'm understanding this: 1) Starboard Value is pushing Tribune to sell ASAP, but won't let them sell piecemeal. 2) A hedge fund (Hicks or someone else) buys Tribune. 3) Said buyer immediately sells a number of the stations to Fox, including KCPQ, KSWB, WPHL, etc.). 4) The buyer falls far enough under the cap that it's no longer a concern. 5) The stations that don't get sold to Fox are run dirt cheap and are eventually sold to Nexstar, Tegna, etc. So, what's stopping Tribune from selling a bunch of stations to Fox and then selling the rest in one transaction? Two transactions. That's it. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSSZNews 1051 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 So, what's stopping Tribune from selling a bunch of stations to Fox and then selling the rest in one transaction? Two transactions. That's it. For all we know, the next hedge fund that gets it - whether it's Hicks or another one - may not want to do it piecemeal either. Lessens the chance of a maximum ROI. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4378 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I feel like we can't say this enough here. NO company, whether your name is Nexstar, Graham, Hicks, Berkshire Hathaway or anyone else, will be able to acquire this whole company in one transaction. It is too big and to try to do that will just create more drama than there should be. Tribune should just sell piecemeal and take the cash they get. Better to do that than to waste everyone's precious time with all of this madness. But that's not what's going to happen. It is very much clear that Starboard Value wants a singular transaction to divest itself of Tribune. Nothing less. If they were selling piecemeal, Fox would have grabbed the stations they wanted already for over $1B. It's also apparent that Starboard is hoping for the GOP to retain both the House and Senate after the midterms. But if either of those - or possibly both - flip to Democrat control, say bye-bye to any hope of further ownership dereg. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman748 1256 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 But that's not what's going to happen. It is very much clear that Starboard Value wants a singular transaction to divest itself of Tribune. Nothing less. If they were selling piecemeal, Fox would have grabbed the stations they wanted already for over $1B. It's also apparent that Starboard is hoping for the GOP to retain both the House and Senate after the midterms. But if either of those - or possibly both - flip to Democrat control, say bye-bye to any hope of further ownership dereg. What's Starboard gonna do if the House and/or Senate flips from Red to Blue? Then they'll have no choice but to go piecemeal. But then again, Starboard doesn't give a crap about what we say on this board, all they care about is the almighty $$$$ Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4378 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 What's Starboard gonna do if the House and/or Senate flips from Red to Blue? Then they'll have no choice but to go piecemeal. Or they pull Tribune off the market entirely, do nothing and let the company atrophy under all the debt, while doing mass layoffs on a regular basis. See Bain Capital’s ten-year treatment of Clear Channel/iHeart. Either that or sell themselves to Tom Hicks, which I haven’t heard anyone say CAN’T happen (as he has NO stations). Sure, he’d have to make divestments to get under the 39% cap, but that’s his dealings, not Tribune’s. (And unlike Sinclair, Tom would actually honor those divestment requests and be upfront with the FCC, like virtually every other broadcast company in existence.) But then again, Starboard doesn't give a crap about what we say on this board, all they care about is the almighty $$$$ That’s 110% stating the obvious lol. Every broadcast chain cares about revenue more than anything else, and don’t let anyone tell you otherwise. It’s why the M&A spree has never abated. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenShine9 1513 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Then Starboard just doesn't care, because if they'd known that Tribune can't be swallowed up by one company we wouldn't be having this conversation. But they're all about the almighty dollar hence why we're having this conversation Ignoring conflicts (so the reach will be lower), Tribune reaches 26.7% WITH the UHF discount. That means that any company with more than 12.5% national reach MUST sell down, regardless of conflicts. In addition to Sinclair, that includes all the networks, Nexstar, TEGNA, Gray (post-Raycom) and Hearst (barely). Scripps just squeaks in. However, ignoring the UHF discount, no group can acquire Tribune whole, since it is already over the cap. If a 50% (no discount) rule was applied, then all the larger groups would blow way past the cap with a purchase, but some small companies can fit them in. But they would blow their budgets... Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman748 1256 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Ignoring conflicts (so the reach will be lower), Tribune reaches 26.7% WITH the UHF discount. That means that any company with more than 12.5% national reach MUST sell down, regardless of conflicts. In addition to Sinclair, that includes all the networks, Nexstar, TEGNA, Gray (post-Raycom) and Hearst (barely). Scripps just squeaks in. However, ignoring the UHF discount, no group can acquire Tribune whole, since it is already over the cap. If a 50% (no discount) rule was applied, then all the larger groups would blow way past the cap with a purchase, but some small companies can fit them in. But they would blow their budgets... How would Meredith, Graham and BH Media each fit in with a potential Tribune purchase with and without the UHF Discount? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4378 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 How would Meredith, Graham and BH Media each fit in with a potential Tribune purchase with and without the UHF Discount? BH Media might be the only group off the top of my head that could buy Tribune and still be under the cap, as it’s only consisting of WPLG (hell, a WPLG/WSFL duop is very plausible) but the thing is, neither of those three companies are close to be a possible buyer for Tribune. Meredith tried to merge into MediaGeneral but that’s the only time they’ve ever attempted such an M&A of that magnitude (the Koch brothers had to give them money to buy Time, Inc, if that’s any indication); Graham is family-owned and just doesn’t buy companies as big as Tribune; and Warren Buffet has the money, but has stood pat with WPLG while the M&As continue. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman748 1256 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 BH Media might be the only group off the top of my head that could buy Tribune and still be under the cap, as it’s only consisting of WPLG (hell, a WPLG/WSFL duop is very plausible) but the thing is, neither of those three companies are close to be a possible buyer for Tribune. Meredith tried to merge into MediaGeneral but that’s the only time they’ve ever attempted such an M&A of that magnitude (the Koch brothers had to give them money to buy Time, Inc, if that’s any indication); Graham is family-owned and just doesn’t buy companies as big as Tribune; and Warren Buffet has the money, but has stood pat with WPLG while the M&As continue. And really the only plausible scenario where I see all 3 involved in purchasing Tribune is if Tribune sold its stations piecemeal (and we all know that ain't happening) Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetroCity 248 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Consider this: Tribune doesn’t care what the buyer does after the sale: keep them all; sell some; sell all; turn them into yogurt shops. What happens post-sale is someone else’s problem. So, why does Tribune insist on only selling in its entirety? It’s easier for Tribune. They’ll only have one buyer to negotiate with and one set of hoops to jump through. Imagine the boondoggle of having to deal with ten potential piecemeal buyers, ten individual negotiations with ten different groups of lawyers and ten sets of FCC filings. Working to integrate technical and personnel systems with ten different buyers, with who knows how many deadlines and closing dates. And that’s not even mentioning the countless number of investors to be satisfied with different deals on both sides of the bargaining tables. That’s Crazytown. The potential piecemeal headaches mean finding one single buyer is worth the wait. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman748 1256 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Consider this: Tribune doesn’t care what the buyer does after the sale: keep them all; sell some; sell all; turn them into yogurt shops. What happens post-sale is someone else’s problem. So, why does Tribune insist on only selling in its entirety? It’s easier for Tribune. They’ll only have one buyer to negotiate with and one set of hoops to jump through. Imagine the boondoggle of having to deal with ten potential piecemeal buyers, ten individual negotiations with ten different groups of lawyers and ten sets of FCC filings. Working to integrate technical and personnel systems with ten different buyers, with who knows how many deadlines and closing dates. And that’s not even mentioning the countless number of investors to be satisfied with different deals on both sides of the bargaining tables. That’s Crazytown. The potential piecemeal headaches mean finding one single buyer is worth the wait. Could Tribune just sell off 6 to 10 stations to Fox and then the rest to another company or would that too be considered going "piecemeal"? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4378 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Could Tribune just sell off 6 to 10 stations to Fox and then the rest to another company or would that too be considered going "piecemeal"? You’re absolutely missing the point. Tribune wants a single sale, and whatever other deals will take place at the hands of the buyer, not Tribune. Fox will deal with the buyer of the stations, not Tribune itself. There are no piecemeal deals going on. Zip, zero, nada. So please stop bringing up an impossibility. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dman748 1256 Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 You’re absolutely missing the point. Tribune wants a single sale, and whatever other deals will take place at the hands of the buyer, not Tribune. Fox will deal with the buyer of the stations, not Tribune itself. There are no piecemeal deals going on. Zip, zero, nada. So please stop bringing up an impossibility. Short answer, no. Have a good evening sir. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalItalian2 163 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 LOL. That’s not the case. The KKRs, George Gillettes and Bain Gocoms of the world will only be getting back in the game to cash out in a bigger way. And depending on the date of the midterms, the ownership cap will remain at 39%. Make that, the ownership cap is remaining at 39%, no matter what. I worked for the Hicks at Capstar Radio. You obviously don't know them. They plan on buying more than just Tribune before they sell or merge or take it public. The cap will NOT remain 39%. I expect it will be the same is radio is, unlimited. It doesn't matter who is in the WH or controls Congress. Remember who signed the Telecommunications Act of 1996 that basically ruined local terrestrial radio. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonDonP1 118 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 You know who really wants a Tom Hicks hedge fund buyout of Tribune to go through? This guy. Fox stands to be at a better position getting all the stations they want, with a hedge fund buyer with no other investments keeping all the rest. It’s the only possible scenario with a truly clean outcome that’s in Fox’s favor. Agreed. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/16657-the-tribune-saga-part-3-new-sale-talks/page/9/#findComment-215190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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