T.L. Hughes 752 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 As TVInthedesert also points out below I also find that info highly suspect. Whomever posted that was clearly just making crap up (thankfully it's been cleaned up.) The "top four stations" rule is based on total day ratings (ie: sign-on to sign-off) not newscast ratings, primetime, etc. Nor, does the "top four rule" separate stations by language. Those top four spots are usually occupied by the "big 4" affiliate in most markets. But, as Raymie already pointed out earlier in this thread that KTVW does quite well in the market and was ranked #1 in total day ratings a little over 2 years ago. And, I would highly doubt that KTVW has fallen out of the top four since then. Thank you. I haven't seen any recent numbers but, I have a hard time believing KTVK is top four in total day. If true their GM (or whomever) needs a bronze statue outside their studios. I believe the "Fort McDowell Casino" chopper is Haffner's own chopper. If my memory serves me correct... I thought Haffner left KTVK to go start his own aerial production company. It just kinda worked out that Haffner came to an agreement with KTVK to provide aerial coverage for the station. I'd hazard a guess that the agreement with Haffner was so favorable they couldn't turn it down. It's also possible that Haffner isn't providing exclusivity to KTVK since he is using the chopper for his aerial production company and not just leasing it to the station. Therefore, KTVK can't really opt out of the "Chopper 20" agreement if Haffner was off shooting something else for his company they would be stuck with nothing. So, that could explain the two chopper arrangement at KTVK. EDIT: At least my memory isn't failing me. A quick google search turned up an article on Bruce Haffner's new "Chopperguy" venture, a promo on KTVK's site touting their two helicopters and a link to the ChopperGuy website. Interesting point on the "top 4" rule in regards to language, although there aren't very many duopolies where stations that run programming in different languages are commonly owned (KOMO-KUNS and KATU-KUNP are among those few that are). In essence, the "top 4" rule also doesn't separate stations by network affiliation, either; while the four highest-rated stations in a market are usually "big 4" affiliates as you mentioned, it doesn't apply in every market: hence why WOAI and KABB, and WRAL and WRAZ are legal duopolies (among a few Fox/Big Three examples) or why Nexstar was allowed to buy both a NBC and CBS station in Fresno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha 2878 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Interesting point on the "top 4" rule in regards to language, although there aren't very many duopolies where stations that run programming in different languages are commonly owned (KOMO-KUNS and KATU-KUNP are among those few that are). In essence, the "top 4" rule also doesn't separate stations by network affiliation, either; while the four highest-rated stations in a market are usually "big 4" affiliates as you mentioned, it doesn't apply in every market: hence why WOAI and KABB, and WRAL and WRAZ are legal duopolies (among a few Fox/Big Three examples) or why Nexstar was allowed to buy both a NBC and CBS station in Fresno. And in some cases duopolies are formed by unusual market circumstances. While it's fairly obvious who the San Antonio interloper is (KWEX, the pioneering station in Spanish-language television in the United States), figuring out Raleigh requires remembering that WLFL and WRDC had lost network affiliations in the preceding five years and that the acquisition took place at a point when they might have still had higher ratings. Same for Jacksonville; WJKS was still high enough in ratings to permit the creation of the WTLV/WJXX duopoly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.L. Hughes 752 Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 And in some cases duopolies are formed by unusual market circumstances. While it's fairly obvious who the San Antonio interloper is (KWEX, the pioneering station in Spanish-language television in the United States), figuring out Raleigh requires remembering that WLFL and WRDC had lost network affiliations in the preceding five years and that the acquisition took place at a point when they might have still had higher ratings. Same for Jacksonville; WJKS was still high enough in ratings to permit the creation of the WTLV/WJXX duopoly. In that instance, WJKS (WCWJ) was a WB affiliate, whereas WJXX (whom WJKS lost ABC to) was fairly new at the time Gannett bought it (having only signed on about three years before Allbritton sold it); because of this, WJXX did not have enough time to gain enough ratings traction to allow it to reach the top four rated stations in Jacksonville. Hence creating that aberration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven 1944 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 The Paperwork Is Up!!! I posted it on the Out and About. But I'll include it here too. Here's the paperwork for KMOV, KTVK & KASW. $230.56M for KTVK/KASW, and $176.94M for KMOV, both totalling $407.4M. SagamoreHill will pay $12M to assign KASW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha 2878 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 From the application: "...the most recent Nielsen ratings publication identifies KPHO-TV as one of the top four rated stations in the DMA based on all-day household audience share. The same publication also identifies KTVK(TV) as the fifth-rated station in the DMA by the same measure. Consequently, this transaction complies with the Commission’s television duopoly rule." KPHO is only fourth? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrtraveler01 737 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 From the application: "...the most recent Nielsen ratings publication identifies KPHO-TV as one of the top four rated stations in the DMA based on all-day household audience share. The same publication also identifies KTVK(TV) as the fifth-rated station in the DMA by the same measure. Consequently, this transaction complies with the Commission’s television duopoly rule." KPHO is only fourth? Wow. The way I interpreted that, I thought it meant that KPHO was one of the top 4 stations in the DMA. Not that it was 4th. I think the point of that paragraph was to say that KTVK isn't a top 4 station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven 1944 Posted January 2, 2014 Share Posted January 2, 2014 See some of y'all are depending on which station is on top of the news race. And even if KTVK might have better ratings than KPHO as with the news department, this shows the overall viewership for stations involved. And I do find it shocking that 3TV is fifth, not because they don't have a network affiliation, but a heavy slew of expensive syndicated programming. Let's not forget, they recent got Wheel & Jeopardy back last season after KNXV (Scripps) kicked it to the curb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha 2878 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 See some of y'all are depending on which station is on top of the news race. And even if KTVK might have better ratings than KPHO as with the news department, this shows the overall viewership for stations involved. And I do find it shocking that 3TV is fifth, not because they don't have a network affiliation, but a heavy slew of expensive syndicated programming. Let's not forget, they recent got Wheel & Jeopardy back last season after KNXV (Scripps) kicked it to the curb. Here's my personal question: is KTVW in the top three!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven 1944 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 Here's my personal question: is KTVW in the top three!? I find it shocking that on the app, it didn't include the latest Nielsen ratings, they just state the full station list, but how they rank the last period. But I will say this though, if KTVW is within the top 3, one of the other big affiliates have to be below KTVK for sixth place, and it's probably isn't KASW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVIntheDesert 183 Posted January 3, 2014 Share Posted January 3, 2014 I find it shocking that on the app, it didn't include the latest Nielsen ratings, they just state the full station list, but how they rank the last period. But I will say this though, if KTVW is within the top 3, one of the other big affiliates have to be below KTVK for sixth place, and it's probably isn't KASW. There are a few underperforming time slots in KTVK's daytime lineup (the paid-segment lifestyle show at 10am, 12-1pm, 2-3pm) that drag their ratings down (every major station except KSAZ has a paid-segment daytime show). Weekends without sports are also a factor. I'm sure KTVW is a top-four rated station, but unsure that they're top-three. If Meredith claims KTVK is number five, then KNXV is most likely sixth. I'm under the impression KTVK and KNXV have close sign-on to sign-off numbers, and that five and six change depending on the ratings period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven 1944 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Okay, because Meredith & Cablevision were unable to reach an agreement, which have led to WFSB being blacked out on its Connecticut systems last Friday, B&C states that Cablevision have asked the FCC to deny Meredith's proposed acquisition of KMOV. Plus, they'd asked the FCC to "investigate whether Meredith is fit to be a broadcast licensee". I don't see why they're making the POD for, and their matters are in Connecticut. This will be treated the same way as Venture went and complained about WLNS/WLAJ in the Media General/Young deal. This will easily get shot down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrtraveler01 737 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Okay, because Meredith & Cablevision were unable to reach an agreement, which have led to WFSB being blacked out on its Connecticut systems last Friday, B&C states that Cablevision have asked the FCC to deny Meredith's proposed acquisition of KMOV. Plus, they'd asked the FCC to "investigate whether Meredith is fit to be a broadcast licensee". I don't see why they're making the POD for, and their matters are in Connecticut. This will be treated the same way as Venture went and complained about WLNS/WLAJ in the Media General/Young deal. This will easily get shot down. If it wasn't for the fact that Cablevision ALWAYS gets into these types of disputes with station groups (like with Fox during the World Series and the NFL season back in 2010), they might have a leg to stand on. But Cablevision doesn't even have any presence here in St. Louis, the big cable company here is Charter Communications. That said, they do have an ally partnership because the CEO of Charter used to be the CEO of Cablevision and Cablevision just recently sold their entire Western US operations to Charter. However, if Charter really does have an issue with KMOV (not sure why they would but whatever), they should file the complaints themselves and not ask Cablevision to do their work for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha 2878 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 Nothing will be able to stop this deal because it has to go through quickly to appease the DOJ's St. Louis stipulation and because it actually does that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenShine9 1509 Posted January 7, 2014 Share Posted January 7, 2014 I'm sure if say, Media General, got KMOV instead there would be cable company complaints as well. I don't see their complaint getting anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrtraveler01 737 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 It looks like the old Belo graphics will live on, even at KMOV. I just saw a promo for a story that features the new Belo graphics. (Sorry for the size of the pic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damien6786 9 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 About time that KMOV finally change their graphics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven 1944 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 We're eight days away from the sixth anniversary (1/27/08) of KMOV using the current graphics. I have a feeling should the Meredith deal goes through, and likely it will, these graphics would be short lived. I hope they don't get rid of the Gari theme. _________________________________________ Okay, the B&C stated today, that Cablevision & WFSB has reached a retransmission consent agreement. Some source say that the carrier is likely to drop that complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanewsguy 509 Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 We're eight days away from the sixth anniversary (1/27/08) of KMOV using the current graphics. I have a feeling should the Meredith deal goes through, and likely it will, these graphics would be short lived. I hope they don't get rid of the Gari theme. _________________________________________ Okay, the B&C stated today, that Cablevision & WFSB has reached a retransmission consent agreement. Some source say that the carrier is likely to drop that complaint. Meredith is about as far from standardized as you can get. I think they will let them use those graphics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven 1944 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Meredith is about as far from standardized as you can get. I think they will let them use those graphics. I don't think so. Whoever new CSD comes to the fold post-transaction, they'll probably compose a new graphic package in the horizon. The same goes with KTVK, should they do merge with KPHO. Although Meredith doesn't (and I don't think they should) standardized, I doubt they'll keep the Belo graphics long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damien6786 9 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 KMOV Just updated their graphics on its 12 pm news. In the beginning It Has ''LIVE KMOV ST. LOUIS'' the News 4 logo still there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVIntheDesert 183 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 I don't think so. Whoever new CSD comes to the fold post-transaction, they'll probably compose a new graphic package in the horizon. The same goes with KTVK, should they do merge with KPHO. Although Meredith doesn't (and I don't think they should) standardized, I doubt they'll keep the Belo graphics long term. The Belo graphics on KTVK are much cleaner and "friendlier" than KPHO's, even though both are very similar. I'd like for them to adopt the KTVK graphics to KPHO. But knowing local Meredith management, they'll keep the KPHO look and defend their decision to the bitter end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24994J 5276 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 KMOV Just updated their graphics on its 12 pm news. In the beginning It Has ''LIVE KMOV ST. LOUIS'' the News 4 logo still there Yeah, and they seem to be using Arial a lot. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha 2878 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The Belo graphics on KTVK are much cleaner and "friendlier" than KPHO's, even though both are very similar. I'd like for them to adopt the KTVK graphics to KPHO. But knowing local Meredith management, they'll keep the KPHO look and defend their decision to the bitter end. I think the KTVK-KPHO consolidation will lead to a new look for both stations, including KPHO whose look is getting tired. They'll probably want a new news brand, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breaking News 802 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 The problem as if we need more consolidations and I like competition and I like how 3TV literally changed the independent model, but once 3/5 merged together there going to be alot of changes in on air, employees and etc. I would think the folks would moved out of 5's building into 3's building...UGH- It would behoove another company to buy KTVK and let them continue doing what they do.. Hearst, Cox, Post Newsweek ( I mean Graham Holding Stations)- UGH here we go again in 2014, and the beat goes on.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samantha 2878 Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 Hearst, Cox, Post Newsweek ( I mean Graham Holding Stations)- UGH here we go again in 2014, and the beat goes on.... P-N wouldn't have wanted 3 at all, Cox would run into a conflict of interest because it is the incumbent cable company in Phoenix, and Hearst has literally stood there and done nothing in this M&A wave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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