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In my opinion, the problems are rooted in the "old school" culture of CBS News. CBS has always prided themselves on valuing substance over style. The presentation - graphics, sets, even the on-air talent always play a distant second to the storytelling. On one hand, I applaud the commitment to substantive enterprise reporting. However, they are competing in a visual medium. The reason why their primetime has done well is because it entertains. CBS News doesn't care to entertain. Content with no frills. It worked for Cronkite in the 60s and that's where their culture still exists...even if the world around them has changed.

This also has to do with lead-ins. The highest-rated stations in most of the top DMAs across the country (NYC, LA, Chicago, Philadelphia, et al.) are not CBS stations. So, people watching their local evening news (who keep their TVs on for the network evening news) are often not watching CBS.

It's very clear to me the problem isn't Norah; it's the nature of the evening news and CBS's position in it. They're always going to be third place no matter who they put in that chair.

Another case of Lieberman only getting the story 30% right and then making up the rest.

https://tvnewscheck.com/more-news/journalism/article/wnyw-new-york-promotes-three-anchors/

Looks like both Amy Freeze and Craig Herrera are out today. The evening team of Ian Oliver and Brigit Mahoney are anchoring America's Weather Center along with Steve Bender, who covered the break-in live segments for the past three hours. Interesting personnel setup. Also, why the heck does the morning team anchor a 6-hour shift every day, while almost everyone else is scheduled for a 2, 3, or 4-hour hour on-air shift? Especially Brigit Mahoney, who only anchored two hours each day Monday-Wednesday. Oliver at least joined the Fox Weather Wild team for additional coverage afterward. Are they trying to conserve the hours of a couple meteorologists to provide some weekend update segments here and there?

IMO, in a situation like this, I would’ve just simulcasted WTVT or WOFL until 3pm rolls around.

I agree. Katie Couric alluded to this the other night on the Late Show. Diane became World News Anchors 3 years later and did fine. Although it was in a solid 2nd place when she got there, it stayed there. But Diane also did not have the Perky label like Katie. DI would argue Katie is better then David. I owner if she has joined 10 years alter and went up against David if maybe she would have done better rating's wise? I Want to add that viewing habits are hard to change. And then there 24/7 Cable News (and Social Media), which has became more in recant years then ever. NBC and ABC ratings have dropped as well. Yes. The transition form Brokaw to Williams in 2004, (nd I might Couric to Vieira on TODAY in 2006 in which NBC went outside the network and took her away form ABC), was almost ridiculous because of how smooth sailing those transitions were. Those shows stayed in their first place spot. Very seamless. unfortunate some NBC more recent transients have gone over as well.

Wow CBS Saturday Morning is #1?

They pulled Glor too soon. They did him dirty. Now with him and his co-anchors being number one on Saturdays has to make management rethink the decision they made that screwed him.

Who knows if they specifically said 'copy ABC News' but wouldn't be surprised if it influenced people involved in the project. Not a lot else on TV those days than the 3 networks.

I am too. I did not have high hopes because I didn't expect it to be a 24/7 operation but it seems they're at least committed to being available around the clock (at least on weekdays). I hope they find more distribution methods

They do the 4 too. I definitely agree with you - right now, there are only two anchor teams the entire day.

The one thing I've long had a problem with on 3 is them using way too few anchor pairs for a schedule that newscast heavy. I mean, Ukee and Jessica do the 5, 6, 10, and 11 - that's a lot and it would be nice to give one or two of those slots to another pairing.

Dan was a solid anchor despite his moments. CBSEN under his tenure was just as good as NNN and WNT, I guess someone had to be in third place and it was him. To me, CBS has remained third because of their competition. Brian Williams had a commanding presence and a narrative delivery style that made me at least want to tune in. Plus, NBC typically had the best presentation. ABC had more recognizable and better fitting anchors: Charles Gibson, Diane Sawyer and David Muir. To me, Couric's tenure inserted too much soft news. Pelly came off as too stiff, Jeff Glor wasn't well known enough, and Norah is just another face trying the same format. She was better in the AM with Gayle.

Still using Avenir for the "mornings" text so I don't think that has anything to do with the new graphics.

Here's WKAQ with the new graphics https://youtu.be/mE1l7tzrOhU

It interesting isn't it? They are number 1 in Daytime, Late Nights, Primetime Newsmagazines shows and Primetime in general. So why does it seem like they always struggle in Morning News (aside form CBS Sunday) and The Evening News? You know it must be driving them nits. Dan Rather was in 2nd place (I think?) in the 1990s. My first thought is Not enough stability since he left. There been 4 Co-anchors since he left 15 years ago. That a new anchor about every 3 years on average. My second though is problems or issues internally that maybe hasn't come to light.

Maybe hand the half hour back to affiliates and let east coast CBS affiliates run hour-long 6 pm newscasts?

Unfortunately, Norah is struggling in the ratings as well. I wonder which news anchor has the best chance of getting the CBSEN out of it's long-troubled 3rd place rating?

I'll throw them a bone and argue that they're trying with Tony on the morning show... Gayle was off, he was in the center chair, and I stuck around for more than the Eye Opener!

Broken record but IMO, eighty-sixing Norah will accomplish nothing (ratings wise) without some major talent acquisitions and formatting changes on CBSEN. ABC is doing a good job of grooming talent like Whit Johnson, Linsey Davis and of course George Stephanopoulos if there is ever a vacancy in the evenings. NBC has really taken the time to build up Savannah Guthrie and Tom Llamas for prominent roles should any major anchor departures occur. They've even developed Craig Melvin, who I'd consider as a stand by candidate for future Today main anchor. CBS hasn't really groomed new talent effectively. Personally, nether Couric, Pelley, Glor or O'Donnell were right for the CBSEN, but I did like Glor's neutrality in reporting.

Dish is the worse when it comes to channels going dark always seem to be in a dispute with someone. A few days ago Sinclair extended with Dish for one more week I think it is on Thur that it could end.

Bring back Scott Pelley or Jeff Glor. I wonder where Norah could end up?

According to the New York Post, possible cost-cutting measures at CBS, may have Norah O'Donnell leaving the "Evening News" https://nypost.com/2021/10/24/norah-odonnell-in-danger-of-losing-anchor-spot-at-cbs-evening-news/

I am watching their morning newscast and it is using the "News 4" logo.