tyrannical bastard 3951 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I know it has no bearing on national reach....but could FOX ever decide to spin off WPWR over to Tribune? This way they wipe their hands clean of having to run a competing network. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-151867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel2 979 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 They tried to trade it to them for KCPQ in 2014, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. Though there seems to be less bad blood between Fox and CBS/WB than there was in 2006. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-151868 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3951 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Another purpose of dumping it would be to reduce the expense of running another station in the 3rd largest market...WFLD is their primary outlet so anything exclusive to WPWR is minimal... Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-151869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 1047 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 They tried to trade it to them for KCPQ in 2014, so it's not out of the realm of possibility. Though there seems to be less bad blood between Fox and CBS/WB than there was in 2006. I think once the KCPQ/Fox affilation agreement ends in 2 years, the Tribune may be willing, for the right price, in selling KCPQ to Fox rather than doing any type of trade. I can't see them wanting to own/run three stations (WGN, CLTV and WPWR) plus get back in bed with the CW. But you never know.... I also think the biggest unknown in this whole situation is Fox's plans for WPWR. Do they make an effort to make WPWR better now that its profile has risen by becoming a CW affiliate or do they continue to let it wallow in obscurity, if you will. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-151872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1715 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 No more Arrow getting in the way of Cubs games. Let's go Cubbies! Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-151874 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadcowatbk 149 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 If KTLA and WPIX dumped CW, would they have enough sports to make it like WGN does? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-151877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardek1995 200 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 If KTLA and WPIX dumped CW, would they have enough sports to make it like WGN does?Maybe. For one thing, they could broadcast baseball and basketball games of teams in their respective markets, and maybe KTLA, WPIX, and WGN could become the preaseason broadcasters of the LA Rams, NYC Jets (or Giants), and the Chicago Bears, respectively. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-151878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel2 979 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 All the MLB/NBA/NHL franchises in the New York market are locked up with or tied to RSNs. Same with LA/Anaheim (especially with the Dodgers' ridiculous deal with the recently-deceased Time Warner Cable that they seem to have no way out of). WPIX and KTLA have no shot at any of that stuff. And preseason NFL games won't be enough. NFL fans consider them nothing but tide-over material until the real season starts anyway. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-151879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardek1995 200 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 All the MLB/NBA/NHL franchises in the New York market are locked up with or tied to RSNs. Same with LA/Anaheim (especially with the Dodgers' ridiculous deal with the recently-deceased Time Warner Cable that they seem to have no way out of). WPIX and KTLA have no shot at any of that stuff. And preseason NFL games won't be enough. NFL fans consider them nothing but tide-over material until the real season starts anyway. I meant to clarify this, but I wasn't talking about within a few months, but more like within a few years from now. For now at least (maybe even longer depending on how the MLB/NBA/NHL broadcast deals go for the RSNs, which is likely to stay with them), they have no shot at any of that for reasons you just mentioned. WPWR would just shift MyNet to 10pm while running CW in the 8-10 slot.In other words, WPWR's MyNet affiliation will become a secondary one Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-151880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadcowatbk 149 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 All the MLB/NBA/NHL franchises in the New York market are locked up with or tied to RSNs. Same with LA/Anaheim (especially with the Dodgers' ridiculous deal with the recently-deceased Time Warner Cable that they seem to have no way out of). WPIX and KTLA have no shot at any of that stuff. And preseason NFL games won't be enough. NFL fans consider them nothing but tide-over material until the real season starts anyway. that's only 3 or 4 games mainly on the weekends, but even preseason NFL games get higher ratings than many NHL, MLB, and NBA playoff games, and sometimes even the Stanley Cub and World Series, people would still watch the Cowboys and Lions even if they were playing meaningless exhibition games Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-151883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
A3N 1002 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 I meant to clarify this, but I wasn't talking about within a few months, but more like within a few years from now. For now at least (maybe even longer depending on how the MLB/NBA/NHL broadcast deals go for the RSNs, which is likely to stay with them), they have no shot at any of that for reasons you just mentioned. In other words, WPWR's MyNet affiliation will become a secondary one The Angels tv deal with Fox Sports West is tied up for the next 20 years. Dodgers are tied up to TWC Sportsnet LA for the next 23 years or so. I doubt either deal, will allow for free OTA games, unless the teams are willing to take less money from FOX and TWC/Charter, respectively. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-151889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED2 144 Posted May 24, 2016 Share Posted May 24, 2016 Just doing a search for "CW WGN" on Twitter brings this up; WGN is the biggest provider of the CW in Canada since the Chicago signal is cleared for them rather than WGN America (the rest is from border stations, smaller Trib superstations like WPIX and KTLA and whatever deals WBTV and CBS Studios makes with the domestic networks/streaming providers for CW programming). If it goes to KCOP and WWOR if Fox got them, they have to cross their fingers Sunbeam doesn't hoard it in Boston (and the WHDH mess) and CBS grabs it for WSBK as KCOP isn't superstation-cleared (WWOR is, but to a much lesser extent). Instantly, CBS and WB now need to figure out how to get the network further distributed up north or their programming out of the dregs that is the OMNI stations and Shomi; the Canadian upfronts are up in the next couple weeks and they just got more interesting than usual. In Western Canada, we get a bunch of CW affiliates (KTLA, WPIX, KSTW) along with WGN. My concern is not losing CW on cable, but WGN itself. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-151899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
24994J 5577 Posted May 27, 2016 Share Posted May 27, 2016 Not just WGN, but all the renewed Tribune CW stations will need to find an hour of daytime programming in the fall. Buried at the bottom of this article, the godawful Bill Cunningham show has been canceled. http://chicagoradioandmedia.com/news/8203-news-notes-tribune-publishing-dan-mcneil-doug-banks-don-schuble-wgn-am-wls-fm-wcgo-am-melissa-forman-more Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-152078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frog 429 Posted May 28, 2016 Author Share Posted May 28, 2016 Despite the quality, it pulled in the numbers: Although never a TV ratings hit in his hometown – averaging 0.4 rating point and 1% audience share at 3 p.m. on Channel 12.2 in household ratings– "Bill Cunningham" was very successful nationally. His show was No. 1 or No. 2 in the target demographic (ages 18-49) in his time period in many markets, including New York, Chicago, Dallas, Miami, St. Louis, Washington D.C. and New Orleans. http://wvxu.org/post/cunningham-quits-daytime-tv#stream/0 The question, what will CW put in the daytime slot? Will they return the time to the affiliates, or will Tribune force them to run some other dreck? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-152093 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven 1955 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 Despite the quality, it pulled in the numbers: http://wvxu.org/post/cunningham-quits-daytime-tv#stream/0 The question, what will CW put in the daytime slot? Will they return the time to the affiliates, or will Tribune force them to run some other dreck? The network's best option is to kill that hour and give it to the affils at this point. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-152094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.L. Hughes 890 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 I know that The CW had Fox's MyNetworkTV O&Os as a contingency if it couldn't reach a deal with Tribune, but how come WPWR got the affiliation anyway, after Tribune decided to negotiate WGN out of its contract? WCIU might have been a better choice as a replacement affiliate, although if it did receive the affiliation (assuming they were even approached at all), Weigel would have had to get permission to tape delay the prime time lineup to accommodate the WLS-produced 7:00 p.m. newscast as Tribune was able to do when it decided to shift KWGN and KPLR's prime time newscasts in 2008. If WPWR does decided to timeshift MNT later in the evening on 50.1, it would displace WKTC in Columbia, South Carolina as the largest dual CW/MyNetworkTV affiliate by market size to carry both networks on their primary channel, which is weird, considering Chicago has enough stations to support separate affiliates of both. OAN, how significant an impact could dropping The CW have on WGN's prime time viewership on weeknights when it isn't scheduled to carry sports? Today, independent stations don't air movies in prime time during the work week as WGN did before (and in the few years after) it joined The WB, and I doubt if they'll be able to try that again. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-152129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathannah 2429 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 WCIU has so much programming inventory that it would need to be displaced by the CW, along with the WLS 7pm newscast. Most of that programming is contractually obligated to a certain timeslot and can't take a shove over to the U Too. The Saturday morning death star that is Litton's five hours would also need to be split out somehow. The only commitments WPWR is stuck with is MyNet, and that network has absolutely no power within the halls of FTS or 21CF in any way, nor does the poor soul who books the Weekend Marketplace infomercial slot where Litton is heading. The CW's reverse comp agreement would probably be overwhelming for Weigel in the #3 market; much more manageable for South Bend, but trebled in Chicago. In any case unless it somehow got paid to be on WJYS, MyNet isn't airing in primetime in Chicago at all after September 1st, no matter the station. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-152131 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsteam13 395 Posted May 28, 2016 Share Posted May 28, 2016 One question, If KWGN dumps the CW, where will the CW go in Denver? Which Denver station will pick up that network? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-152133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelson R. 569 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 WCIU has so much programming inventory that it would need to be displaced by the CW, along with the WLS 7pm newscast. Most of that programming is contractually obligated to a certain timeslot and can't take a shove over to the U Too. The Saturday morning death star that is Litton's five hours would also need to be split out somehow. The only commitments WPWR is stuck with is MyNet, and that network has absolutely no power within the halls of FTS or 21CF in any way, nor does the poor soul who books the Weekend Marketplace infomercial slot where Litton is heading. The CW's reverse comp agreement would probably be overwhelming for Weigel in the #3 market; much more manageable for South Bend, but trebled in Chicago. In any case unless it somehow got paid to be on WJYS, MyNet isn't airing in primetime in Chicago at all after September 1st, no matter the station. MyNet programming will probably be pushed back to 9-11pm Central on WPWR, after the CW programming. Theoretically they could air the MyNet programming on the weekends, say from 6-11pm Saturday and Sunday. But they will probably air it after the CW programming on weeknights. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-152139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
24994J 5577 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 While their program slate might be lackluster, WCIU prides itself on its independence, and the non-affiliated Weigel stations are held in decent regard. I'd imagine the CW would've wanted full branding changes and some sort of greater influence, and Weigel might've turned that down...if they were even in the discussion, in the first place. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-152142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardek1995 200 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 While their program slate might be lackluster, WCIU prides itself on its independence, and the non-affiliated Weigel stations are held in decent regard. I'd imagine the CW would've wanted full branding changes and some sort of greater influence, and Weigel might've turned that down...if they were even in the discussion, in the first place.Which I dont think they would've even been in a discussion about it being a CW affiliate because Weigel would've still turned it down Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-152143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeters 1916 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 One question, If KWGN dumps the CW, where will the CW go in Denver? Which Denver station will pick up that network? Didn't you create a thread to speculate about that exact question? Yes. Yes you did. Keep the speculation there, please. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-152145 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEOMatrix 1299 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 One question, If KWGN dumps the CW, where will the CW go in Denver? Which Denver station will pick up that network? KWGN, like its other CW sisters (sans WGN), are with the netlet for another 5 years. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-152151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jase 1047 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 I know that The CW had Fox's MyNetworkTV O&Os as a contingency if it couldn't reach a deal with Tribune, but how come WPWR got the affiliation anyway, after Tribune decided to negotiate WGN out of its contract? I think the answer is simple. A lot of Time Warner shows (TMZ, TMZ Live, SOW, The Real and soon Extra) air on WPWR, so there is already a working relationship, if you will, between Time Warner and Fox. With that said, it would seem like a logical choice to go with WPWR as the new CW affiliate. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-152154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven 1955 Posted May 29, 2016 Share Posted May 29, 2016 I think the answer is simple. A lot of Time Warner shows (TMZ, TMZ Live, SOW, The Real and soon Extra) air on WPWR, so there is already a working relationship, if you will, between Time Warner and Fox. With that said, it would seem like a logical choice to go with WPWR as the new CW affiliate. Wait. What is SOW? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/14887-tribune-and-cw-at-an-impasse-over-ott-ambitions/page/6/#findComment-152158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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