Rusty Muck 4168 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Keep in mind they're banking on the high cable penetration rate of the market... ...which becomes a massive Achilles heel in the wake of the ongoing cord-cutting movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4168 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 But wouldn't they sell a partial stake of WSVN to anyone, or is Ed Ansin not willing to sell even a partial stake? ...excuse me a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEOMatrix 1295 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Even the Boston Herald is reporting that it's a done deal: http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/television/2015/12/nbc_dials_up_heat_ch_7_set_to_lose_network_affiliation_in_2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardek1995 200 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Even the Boston Herald is reporting that it's a done deal: http://www.bostonherald.com/entertainment/television/2015/12/nbc_dials_up_heat_ch_7_set_to_lose_network_affiliation_in_2017 Then it's NBC 60 or NBC Boston in 2017, except, where are they going to put TeleXitos and Cozi TV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24994J 5276 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 What's WNEU's most popular cable channel position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrabbleship 427 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 What's WNEU's most popular cable channel position? Varies. Comcast in Boston and the immediate suburbs is 53, otherwise 19. RCN is 16, Fios 10. 3 and 8 seem to be mostly easily bumpable on most Boston area systems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrschimpf 2063 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 And assuming CW heads to WSBK where does the rerun block known as MyNet go? Everyone else's schedules are pretty full right now so it can't be cherry picked. I wonder how a second sub on WCVB would be to solve this problem. After midnight; if KCOP has corporate approval to carry scratch-rated infotainment in primetime (Hollywood Today Live is already in Titanic chair-shuffling mode three months in), it's clear Fox can't do much to prevent WSBK running a primary CW/secondary MyNet station. At this point MyNet seems to solely exist as a way for experimental indies/scared stations to claim some kind of network affiliation and the imaging package that goes with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A3N 996 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 ...which becomes a massive Achilles heel in the wake of the ongoing cord-cutting movement. well there's a whole lot of possibilities that Comcast has to ensure proper distribution of NBC Boston. As I mentioned earlier... they have the NBC TV Everywhere platform- make that available without a cable subscription -offer skinny bundles (i.e. local channels, etc) to those cord-cutters (maybe packaging it with internet service?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eat News 4738 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 well there's a whole lot of possibilities that Comcast has to ensure proper distribution of NBC Boston. As I mentioned earlier... they have the NBC TV Everywhere platform- make that available without a cable subscription -offer skinny bundles (i.e. local channels, etc) to those cord-cutters (maybe packaging it with internet service?) Yup....think big and crazy. The industry will be watching closely for precedent. I gotta agree that creative skinny bundles are a great Idea...but will Comcast /NBC actually have the balls to set the trend??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1554 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Varies. Comcast in Boston and the immediate suburbs is 53, otherwise 19. RCN is 16, Fios 10. 3 and 8 seem to be mostly easily bumpable on most Boston area systems. That said. They're pull an NBC Bay Area or NBC Connecticut and launch it, not as NBC Boston, no. It's going to be NBC New England to align with NECN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broadcastfan9751 136 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 After midnight; if KCOP has corporate approval to carry scratch-rated infotainment in primetime (Hollywood Today Live is already in Titanic chair-shuffling mode three months in), it's clear Fox can't do much to prevent WSBK running a primary CW/secondary MyNet station. At this point MyNet seems to solely exist as a way for experimental indies/scared stations to claim some kind of network affiliation and the imaging package that goes with it. MyNetworkTV is more like a syndication package these days, where stations can carry it at anytime they want. In fact, it's been reported that CBS has had talks with FOX about switching some of it's MNTV stations to The CW if talks with Tribune fall through. If this were to actually happen, they'd probably go the dual CW/MNTV route and shift MNTV to late night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A3N 996 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Yup....think big and crazy. The industry will be watching closely for precedent. I gotta agree that creative skinny bundles are a great Idea...but will Comcast /NBC actually have the balls to set the trend??? absolutely. What everyone seems to be forgetting is that this isn't GE's NBC, it's Comcast's NBC. Comcast will take the risks and will push to make this work. If this was happening in 2009, then I would have put this off as a silly rumor, but with Comcast in charge, everything is on the table and they have the financial wherewithal to make it happen. In regards to the skinny bundles, I have to think they would rather keep customers in some kind of capacity than losing them all together. Plus, all cable co.'s have some kind of bundles in their lineup. In some cases the internet is cheaper when bundled with tv and phone. Comcast could do something similar by offering cheaper internet with a skinny bundle. It's anyone's guess as to what they will do, but I can guarantee they're not going to sit around and do nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadcowatbk 144 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 ...which becomes a massive Achilles heel in the wake of the ongoing cord-cutting movement. but most cord cutters stream shows, most won't notice, most people who watch OTA TV probably never had cable (and never will), cable is losing subscribers to streaming services, not OTA TV, how many people under 30 have watched TV OTA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1554 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 but most cord cutters stream shows, most won't notice But we do watch local news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomadcowatbk 144 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 But we do watch local news. more stations are streaming their local news also, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mre29 1340 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 What's WNEU's most popular cable channel position? Here in Londonderry, NH, it's on 14, with the HD version on 716. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4168 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 more stations are streaming their local news also, But does the streaming of local news count in the ratings? Nope. absolutely. What everyone seems to be forgetting is that this isn't GE's NBC, it's Comcast's NBC. Comcast will take the risks and will push to make this work. If this was happening in 2009, then I would have put this off as a silly rumor, but with Comcast in charge, everything is on the table and they have the financial wherewithal to make it happen. In regards to the skinny bundles, I have to think they would rather keep customers in some kind of capacity than losing them all together. Plus, all cable co.'s have some kind of bundles in their lineup. In some cases the internet is cheaper when bundled with tv and phone. Comcast could do something similar by offering cheaper internet with a skinny bundle. It's anyone's guess as to what they will do, but I can guarantee they're not going to sit around and do nothing. Comcast has one of the poorest customer satisfaction rates and abysmal customer service, and no one in recorded history has ever said that their internet service is the best thing since sliced bread. This is nothing but pure delusion of grandeur on Comcast's part... they fail to notice that they have no chance for success in anyway whatsoever in a market where NewsCenter 5, WBZ, 7 NEWS and (Fox) 25 are known quantities. If Comcast is so dead set on this Quixotic dream of an O&O in Boston, they deserve to fail. WNEU will make WWJ-TV look like a rip-roaring success by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardek1995 200 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 more stations are streaming their local news also, Like NewsON and WatchUp for example. But does the streaming of local news count in the ratings? Nope. Comcast has one of the poorest customer satisfaction rates and abysmal customer service, and no one in recorded history has ever said that their internet service is the best thing since sliced bread. This is nothing but pure delusion of grandeur on Comcast's part... they fail to notice that they have no chance for success in anyway whatsoever in a market where NewsCenter 5, WBZ, 7 NEWS and (Fox) 25 are known quantities. If Comcast is so dead set on this Quixotic dream of an O&O in Boston, they deserve to fail. WNEU will make WWJ-TV look like a rip-roaring success by comparison. WWJ will still suck worse as a CBS O&O than WNEU will as an NBC O&O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrabbleship 427 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Like NewsON and WatchUp for example. WWJ will still suck worse as a CBS O&O than WNEU will as an NBC O&O. WGPR/WWJ was a desperation move because WKBD and WXON couldn't back out (and that WXON overvalued itself). Seriously, that the whole New World thing happened as UPN and WB were launching complicated things further. A hypothetical WNEU (or WMPF) situation is more akin to KNTV. Incumbent station owned by a family where selling for too much/not selling did or could do them in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardek1995 200 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 WGPR/WWJ was a desperation move because WKBD and WXON couldn't back out (and that WXON overvalued itself). Seriously, that the whole New World thing happened as UPN and WB were launching complicated things further. A hypothetical WNEU (or WMPF) situation is more akin to KNTV. Incumbent station owned by a family where selling for too much/not selling did or could do them in. And didn't NBC pour its resources into KNTV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrabbleship 427 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 And didn't NBC pour its resources into KNTV? Very much so. Granted the work began under Granite but NBC did more than Granite ever could have. Also, in this case it is a choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrabbleship 427 Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Here in Londonderry, NH, it's on 14, with the HD version on 716. That might be an artifact from the WGOT era when they tried to go after WNDS for the title of "top non-WMUR station in NH". There are a fair number of areas in central/western NH that get WNEU but not WUNI/WUTF for similar reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4168 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 A hypothetical WNEU (or WMPF) situation is more akin to KNTV. Incumbent station owned by a family where selling for too much/not selling did or could do them in. KNTV had an existing news department, a decent program inventory, and a signal that at least covered San Francisco adequately. KRON was sold for $800M by the deYoungs to the Young family, and the Youngs failed to grasp what NBC was going to do to their investment. WNEU has no news department, no programming inventory and a signal that is nonexistent in Boston proper. WHDH is owned by the Ansin family, who probably realize that WHDH may be worth far more as a news-intensive CW affiliate with no restraints on the WSVN bleeds-it-leads formula, and will seriously ramp up a revamp of "7 News" throughout 2016. There is no comparison between the two. WNEU has no shot at success whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardek1995 200 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 KNTV had an existing news department, a decent program inventory, and a signal that at least covered San Francisco adequately. KRON was sold for $800M by the deYoungs to the Young family, and the Youngs failed to grasp what NBC was going to do to their investment. WNEU has no news department, no programming inventory and a signal that is nonexistent in Boston proper. WHDH is owned by the Ansin family, who probably realize that WHDH may be worth far more as a news-intensive CW affiliate with no restraints on the WSVN bleeds-it-leads formula, and will seriously ramp up a revamp of "7 News" throughout 2016. There is no comparison between the two. WNEU has no shot at success whatsoever. I disagree with you. I think NBC will increase WNEU's signal so that it reaches Boston and invest in a news department that'll be #1 or 2 (or #3 if WHDH still is a close runner-up/market leader) in the Boston market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4168 Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I disagree with you. I think NBC will increase WNEU's signal so that it reaches Boston and invest in a news department that'll be #1 or 2 (or #3 if WHDH still is a close runner-up/market leader) in the Boston market. I completely and vehemently disagree. #1 or #2? When viewer loyalties to WCVB, WBZ and WHDH are decades in the making, and where Cox is in the midst of a rebuild of WFXT? That's absolutely insane and representative of the groupthink that is apparently pervasive at 30 Rock. NBC will become totally irrelevant in Boston proper with a craptacular signal for WNEU that can't be upgraded, and the newscasts will be lucky to draw hash marks for ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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