New Nielsen Rankings

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On 9/16/2024 at 8:50 PM, GraphicsMan said:

Tampa being larger than Miami is nuts. 

 

You have to realize that Miami DMA is only 3 counties with one of them, Monroe County being the Keys and a mostly uninhabited swamp on the mainland. Plus, Miami-Ft. Lauderdale area is the highest COL in the state and many middle class have been priced out of there and moved to Orlando and Tampa areas. Tampa is a much bigger DMA overall in land size and had explosive population growth post-COVID from many Northerners and South Floridians.

Edited September 20, 2024 by jerseyfla

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Isn't it also being threatened by sea level rise?

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On 9/16/2024 at 8:50 PM, GraphicsMan said:

Tampa being larger than Miami is nuts. 

 

What confuses me is that the Miami metro is over 6 million people and Tampa is just over 3 million. I guess that goes back to the number of persons per household. 

3 hours ago, jerseyfla said:

You have to realize that Miami DMA is only 3 counties with one of them, Monroe County being the Keys and a mostly uninhabited swamp on the mainland. Plus, Miami-Ft. Lauderdale area is the highest COL in the state and many middle class have been priced out of there and moved to Orlando and Tampa areas. Tampa is a much bigger DMA overall in land size and had explosive population growth post-COVID from many Northerners and South Floridians.

What did surprise me was just how massive that 3 county coverage area is. The top of Broward County (Deerfield Beach) to the bottom of Monroe (Key West) is a 4.5-hour drive, 210 miles. Not to mention Miami stations will go into Palm Beach County if news permits, such as the Trump assassination attempt. 

Edited September 20, 2024 by MediaZone4K

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4 hours ago, jerseyfla said:

You have to realize that Miami DMA is only 3 counties with one of them, Monroe County being the Keys and a mostly uninhabited swamp on the mainland. Plus, Miami-Ft. Lauderdale area is the highest COL in the state and many middle class have been priced out of there and moved to Orlando and Tampa areas. Tampa is a much bigger DMA overall in land size and had explosive population growth post-COVID from many Northerners and South Floridians.

Unfortunately, the entire state of Florida, even Tampa, is becoming expensive to live in.

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On 9/18/2024 at 10:50 PM, MediaZone4K said:

if major changes were happening at say WFAA

It would be on the tegna thread I worried whats next for them iykyk

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On 9/19/2024 at 3:31 AM, MarkBRollins88_v2 said:

I copy and paste them from a picture of it so my phone might have mis-translated some one the words 

 

I noticed it read the lowercase L in “Tulsa” as an I so when I copied the text over, it says “Tuisa”

 

but everything was spelled correctly on my source documents.

 

i can promise you it’s all very legit. 

 

I don't doubt its legitimacy, but you could have done some quick edits before posting.

 

Just saying.

 

[TheRolyPoly 2357]

I still wish I saw DMAs 201-210.

 

Even if there was still no change, I would've liked to have seen it.

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On 9/20/2024 at 11:35 PM, mre29 said:

 

I don't doubt its legitimacy, but you could have done some quick edits before posting.

 

Just saying.

 

If you’d like to edit it, be my guest!

 

Sorry I shared it. 

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On 9/17/2024 at 9:55 PM, tyrannical bastard said:

I'd be curious to see if any of these market shifts (or even the changes in TV households) are markets adding/dropping counties or parishes from their DMAs.

I can't imagine there have been many counties have switched DMA's since the digital transition and HD becoming mainstream, even if cable systems have out of market stations most likely it's not in HD. Satellite (for the most part) and streamers only have in market stations. 

 

Living in a newer neighborhood the in-market stations are 40 miles away and a neighboring market 60ish miles away, there are a few neighbors that have antenna setups, all are pointed to the in-market stations with antennas barely over roof tops, there is no way they could get any out-of-market station, they would need a large fringe antenna on a tower.

 

Cable cutters are going more to towards streaming than antenna anyways, it has been harder to keep track of streaming because people add and drop services all the time.

 

You also have to account for different demographics, older people typically subscribe to cable in higher numbers, younger, and Hispanic is lower along with areas with more transplants. 

Edited September 23, 2024 by doublejman69

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2 hours ago, doublejman69 said:

I can't imagine there have been many counties have switched DMA's since the digital transition and HD becoming mainstream, even if cable systems have out of market stations most likely it's not in HD. Satellite (for the most part) and streamers only have in market stations. 

 

Living in a newer neighborhood the in-market stations are 40 miles away and a neighboring market 60ish miles away, there are a few neighbors that have antenna setups, all are pointed to the in-market stations with antennas barely over roof tops, there is no way they could get any out-of-market station, they would need a large fringe antenna on a tower.

 

Cable cutters are going more to towards streaming than antenna anyways, it has been harder to keep track of streaming because people add and drop services all the time.

 

You also have to account for different demographics, older people typically subscribe to cable in higher numbers, younger, and Hispanic is lower along with areas with more transplants. 

There have been some fringe counties that have bounced back and forth between DMAs. 

 

One notable one is Athens County, Ohio.  It's been part of Columbus and the Charleston/Huntington DMA over the past 20 years, and has switched back and forth several times. 

 

Even in the digital era, it has fringe TV service from either market, as well as from Zanesville, OH and Parkersburg, WV.

Back before they got DirecTV/Dish locals, they actually qualified for distant locals on satellite due to their remote location from either market.

 

Another switch was with George County, MS being included into the Mobile-Pensacola DMA about 15 years ago.  Biloxi-Gulfport may have gotten them back for in-state TV service as opposed to service from Alabama and Florida.

 

Edited September 24, 2024 by tyrannical bastard

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2 hours ago, tyrannical bastard said:

There have been some fringe counties that have bounced back and forth between DMAs. 

 

One notable one is Athens County, Ohio.  It's been part of Columbus and the Charleston/Huntington DMA over the past 20 years, and has switched back and forth several times. 

 

Even in the digital era, it has fringe TV service from either market, as well as from Zanesville, OH and Parkersburg, WV.

Back before they got DirecTV/Dish locals, they actually qualified for distant locals on satellite due to their remote location from either market.

 

Another switch was with George County, MS being included into the Mobile-Pensacola DMA about 15 years ago.  Biloxi-Gulfport may have gotten them back for in-state TV service as opposed to service from Alabama and Florida.

 

Not saying it’s hasn’t happen at all in the last 10ish years but going forward it going to become much more rare for markets to lose or gain countries. If you’re in a market that has moved in rankings 2 or 3 spots it’s far more likely it’s because population changes in the main urban/ suburban areas and cord-cutters/streaming and not because of markets losing or gaining counties that are in far reaches and are mainly rural areas. 

Edited September 24, 2024 by doublejman69

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On 9/17/2024 at 9:55 PM, tyrannical bastard said:

I'd be curious to see if any of these market shifts (or even the changes in TV households) are markets adding/dropping counties or parishes from their DMAs.

Huntsville (75) went up 6 markets, making it the biggest jump of any of the markets. All due in part to thee rapid growth of the Tennessee Valley, but mostly because it reabsorbed Jackson county after it was moved to the Chattanooga Market last year.

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On 9/20/2024 at 9:06 AM, MediaZone4K said:

What confuses me is that the Miami metro is over 6 million people and Tampa is just over 3 million. I guess that goes back to the number of persons per household. 

What did surprise me was just how massive that 3 county coverage area is. The top of Broward County (Deerfield Beach) to the bottom of Monroe (Key West) is a 4.5-hour drive, 210 miles. Not to mention Miami stations will go into Palm Beach County if news permits, such as the Trump assassination attempt. 

It’s very simple: The reason the Miami DMA doesn’t match the Miami metro area’s population rank is because the Miami metro area is essentially split into two different DMAs: the Miami DMA and the West Palm Beach DMA.

 

The West Palm Beach area is included in the Miami Metro area’s 6 million+ population figure, but it is not included as part of the Miami DMA.

 

It’s like if the DFW area were split into a Dallas DMA and a Fort Worth DMA.

 

It’s one metro area, but in Miami’s case it’s served by two DMAs.

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44 minutes ago, MarkBRollins88_v2 said:

It’s very simple: The reason the Miami DMA doesn’t match the Miami metro area’s population rank is because the Miami metro area is essentially split into two different DMAs: the Miami DMA and the West Palm Beach DMA.

 

The West Palm Beach area is included in the Miami Metro area’s 6 million+ population figure, but it is not included as part of the Miami DMA.

 

It’s like if the DFW area were split into a Dallas DMA and a Fort Worth DMA.

 

It’s one metro area, but in Miami’s case it’s served by two DMAs.

Ahhh! Makes sense!

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8 hours ago, MarkBRollins88_v2 said:

It’s very simple: The reason the Miami DMA doesn’t match the Miami metro area’s population rank is because the Miami metro area is essentially split into two different DMAs: the Miami DMA and the West Palm Beach DMA.

 

The West Palm Beach area is included in the Miami Metro area’s 6 million+ population figure, but it is not included as part of the Miami DMA.

 

It’s like if the DFW area were split into a Dallas DMA and a Fort Worth DMA.

 

It’s one metro area, but in Miami’s case it’s served by two DMAs.

 

This post is perfect. It explains why.

 

Also, mention that you also have the Florida Keys which is part of the Miami DMA, and trying to cover everything from the Keys to WPB would be somewhat of an overkill for one TV market considering traffic and other challenges.

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Can anyone explain the two largest cities in Texas? Dallas-Ft.Worth #4, but Houston #6.  I had to look it up, but Houston's population is bigger than Dallas. Is the Dallas market bigger than Houston because of

Dallas & Ft. Worth together?

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3 hours ago, Breaking News said:

Can anyone explain the two largest cities in Texas? Dallas-Ft.Worth #4, but Houston #6.  I had to look it up, but Houston's population is bigger than Dallas. Is the Dallas market bigger than Houston because of

Dallas & Ft. Worth together?

DMA includes Dallas and Fort Worth plus suburbs and a multi-county area that is North Texas. These are some of the fastest-growing parts of the country - esp. Fort Worth and suburbs north of Dallas. Kind of towns with a pop of 43,000 now but 378,000 projected at build out. If growth continues, this will be the third-largest metro area of the country by the 2030s, passing Chicago. 

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9 hours ago, Breaking News said:

Can anyone explain the two largest cities in Texas? Dallas-Ft.Worth #4, but Houston #6.  I had to look it up, but Houston's population is bigger than Dallas. Is the Dallas market bigger than Houston because of

Dallas & Ft. Worth together?

 

Each DMA usually contains multiple counties in a given area.  So a DMA can often have a significantly larger population than the major city (or cities) it's named after.

Edited November 1, 2024 by jjj
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15 hours ago, Breaking News said:

Can anyone explain the two largest cities in Texas? Dallas-Ft.Worth #4, but Houston #6.  I had to look it up, but Houston's population is bigger than Dallas. Is the Dallas market bigger than Houston because of

Dallas & Ft. Worth together?

Adding to that, something I learned...

Metropolitan areas, and DMAs are not necessarily coextensive.

 

So a metropolitan area can have a higher population than another metro, yet still have a lower DMA rank.

 

Our example... The Miami Metro is bigger than the Tampa Metro, yet Tampa's DMA ranks higher than Miami's.

 

Why? The Miami metropolitan area includes the population of Palm Beach County, but the Miami DMA does not. 

 

This is probably because the entire metropolitan area would be too massive for the stations to drive to get to stories.

Edited November 1, 2024 by MediaZone4K

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15 hours ago, Breaking News said:

Can anyone explain the two largest cities in Texas? Dallas-Ft.Worth #4, but Houston #6.  I had to look it up, but Houston's population is bigger than Dallas. Is the Dallas market bigger than Houston because of

Dallas & Ft. Worth together?

Precisely this. Houston proper is massive with massive suburbs as well. Dallas proper a bit smaller but with massive suburbs too and then another top 5 city (Fort Worth) included in its metro. 
 

I believe Houston’s DMA is Houston-Galveston-Sugarland-The Woodlands (large populous of the southeast texas region)

 

Dallas is Dallas-Fort Worth. (North texas)

Edited November 1, 2024 by MorningNews

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4 hours ago, MediaZone4K said:

This is probably because the entire metropolitan area would be too massive for the stations to drive to get to stories.

 

Isn't that where the concept of bureaus comes in? "Reporting now from our Fort Lauderdale bureau..."

 

 

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7 hours ago, MediaZone4K said:

Adding to that, something I learned...

Metropolitan areas, and DMAs are not necessarily coextensive.

 

So a metropolitan area can have a higher population than another metro, yet still have a lower DMA rank.

 

Our example... The Miami Metro is bigger than the Tampa Metro, yet Tampa's DMA ranks higher than Miami's.

 

Why? The Miami metropolitan area includes the population of Palm Beach County, but the Miami DMA does not. 

 

This is probably because the entire metropolitan area would be too massive for the stations to drive to get to stories.

 

Other examples on the opposite end of the spectrum are places such as Phoenix, Denver, Alburquerque, Salt Lake City, and to certain extent Los Angeles.  All geographically large DMAs that extend beyond each city's core metro area.

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4 minutes ago, SDHIll1980 said:

 

Other examples on the opposite end of the spectrum are places such as Phoenix, Denver, Alburquerque, Salt Lake City, and to certain extent Los Angeles.  All geographically large DMAs that extend beyond each city's core metro area.

 

Some are ridiculously large, like Denver includes areas more than 500 miles away from the city, which is for no reason at all IMO (those are sparsely populated areas in the High Plains often in areas where small-market stations are nearby).

Edited November 1, 2024 by GoldenShine_10

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2 hours ago, SDHIll1980 said:

 

Other examples on the opposite end of the spectrum are places such as Phoenix, Denver, Alburquerque, Salt Lake City, and to certain extent Los Angeles.  All geographically large DMAs that extend beyond each city's core metro area.

Some cover multiple states too.  DMA #1 is New York, covers not just the 5 boroughs of NYC but Long Island, more than half of New Jersey, SW Connecticut and a county in Pennsylvania (Pike).

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Guys, we know how DMAs work.