wabceyewitness 818 Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 If those issues hamper viewership and quality, I don't think WABC will be the state of New York's #1 news for much longer. As much as people on this forum hate these new graphics, let's be realistic. Except for the 2008 package and it's update in 2011, WABC has always had underwhelming graphics and probably the worst in the city. Even the 2008/2011 packages, which were very nice compared to other packages, were still clunky and cheesy. Bottom line - maybe this package will be tweaked some given the feedback the station in getting, but the overall look will be around for at least 3-4 years and it won't have an impact one way or the other on ratings. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-150988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
24994J 5577 Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 As much as people on this forum hate these new graphics, let's be realistic. Except for the 2008 package and it's update in 2011, WABC has always had underwhelming graphics and probably the worst in the city. Even the 2008/2011 packages, which were very nice compared to other packages, were still clunky and cheesy. Bottom line - maybe this package will be tweaked some given the feedback the station in getting, but the overall look will be around for at least 3-4 years and it won't have an impact one way or the other on ratings. Exactly. The only main complaints I've seen on their Facebook page are that the viewers' cable companies/TV settings aren't letterboxing the newscasts. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-150989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardek1995 200 Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 As much as people on this forum hate these new graphics, let's be realistic. Except for the 2008 package and it's update in 2011, WABC has always had underwhelming graphics and probably the worst in the city. Even the 2008/2011 packages, which were very nice compared to other packages, were still clunky and cheesy. Bottom line - maybe this package will be tweaked some given the feedback the station in getting, but the overall look will be around for at least 3-4 years and it won't have an impact one way or the other on ratings. Exactly. The only main complaints I've seen on their Facebook page are that the viewers' cable companies/TV settings aren't letterboxing the newscasts.You two made good points. I mean, the other NYC stations' graphics look better by comparison (especially NBC 4's, CBS 2's, and PIX11's) hell, I might as well add that WABC's sisters (KGO in particular) have better graphics than WABC itself, and sort of always had. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-150991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanchamBro 19 Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Weekend 6pm Open. They fixed "News York's", but Charlie Van Dyke doesn't say "at 6"...really feel like WABC rushed these graphics. Speaking of: Charlie Van Dyke really should quit doing voice-overs. I mean, he is a good voice-over (especially since my local station WAVY-TV has him...well, at least until Nexstar ruins it), but he's 68 and his voice is already deteriorating. Jefferson Kaye was 73 when he retired from WPVI in 2011. Couldn't another v/o like Scott Chapin or Bill Ratner take over? Bottom line - maybe this package will be tweaked some given the feedback the station in getting, but the overall look will be around for at least 3-4 years and it won't have an impact one way or the other on ratings. Tell that to WTKR, when they made a new graphic back in 1994 that gave them low ratings. It only lasted for about a year, until WTKR changed their graphics again, with a new newscast title: Newschannel 3 (heard that they're ditching the name in favor of News 3 again). Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-150999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
24994J 5577 Posted May 8, 2016 Share Posted May 8, 2016 Speaking of: Charlie Van Dyke really should quit doing voice-overs. I mean, he is a good voice-over, [...] but he's 68 and his voice is already deteriorating. Jefferson Kaye was 73 when he retired from WPVI in 2011. Couldn't another v/o like Scott Chapin or Bill Ratner take over? While those two are in better vocal shape, Ratner's 69 and Chapin already retired once. I don't see why they'd be logical successors to Van Dyke. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad 325 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Yeah these graphics are here to stay whether we like it or not. Maybe when they refresh it in 2-3 years in 2018 or 2019 it will look somewhat like KTRK in Houston. Honestly if they had more detail like Houston's graphics that would be their best package. And I feel like they can really do that. Looks like the dated Eyewitness News Series 4 music is here to stay too since they've done all of these opens already. Such a shame. I'm still very disappointed lol, still gonna watch them but definitely not happy. I wish they had the voiceover guy from the late 90s and Early 2000s. I think he still actually does the previews on the station for the stations shows. Is it Bill Ratner? Could be wrong but I like his voice better. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToriElectra 292 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Yeah these graphics are here to stay whether we like it or not. Maybe when they refresh it in 2-3 years in 2018 or 2019 it will look somewhat like KTRK in Houston. Honestly if they had more detail like Houston's graphics that would be their best package. And I feel like they can really do that. Looks like the dated Eyewitness News Series 4 music is here to stay too since they've done all of these opens already. Such a shame. I'm still very disappointed lol, still gonna watch them but definitely not happy. I wish they had the voiceover guy from the late 90s and Early 2000s. I think he still actually does the previews on the station for the stations shows. Is it Bill Ratner? Could be wrong but I like his voice better. You mean the deep-voiced guy who also did stuff for WUSA, Mike Lewis? I think he still does the occasional promo, but I'm not sure. David Kaye is still around- he was doing the VOs in the late 90s (while you could also hear him on Fox 5, hamming it up as Megatron in Beast Wars and Beast Machines). Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad 325 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Yes, I believe it is Mike Lewis. He still does the previews for the station's shows and stuff. He did the opens from 2001-2004. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breaking News 829 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 http://www.adweek.com/tvspy/wabc-renames-city-in-graphics-oops/169959 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
24994J 5577 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 http://www.adweek.com/tvspy/wabc-renames-city-in-graphics-oops/169959 Old news. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151073 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeters 1916 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 http://www.adweek.com/tvspy/wabc-renames-city-in-graphics-oops/169959 Oh look, another thing Michael P. Hill likely lifted from here being parroted by other blogs that credit him for "finding it". :rolleyes: Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RGSJenkins 435 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 They format their bug differently during the "Good Morning America" news brief. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
24994J 5577 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 It's not perfect, but that would be better than what they have for all the other broadcasts. Ugh Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Newsroom 1281 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 See? That's much better, but still... Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardek1995 200 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 They format their bug differently during the "Good Morning America" news brief. Now I see where WABC's graphics comes from. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 941 Posted May 11, 2016 Share Posted May 11, 2016 Now I see where WABC's graphics comes from. No... Those are the same graphics that only WABC uses. They just use a GMA bug for the GMA updates. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianpr3 178 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 well now that rob powers is leavin they will ave to redo 2 opens ha ha Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151384 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vlad 325 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 well now that rob powers is leavin they will ave to redo 2 opens ha ha Or maybe they might scrap the opens altogether since they don't have it for the 11:00 broadcast. And talent opens don't seem to be the norm anymore for news stations KABC doesn't do them anymore just to name a few. WLS still keeps the tradition. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganNewsGraphicsJunkie 915 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I mean I get stations wanting to have talent opens and whatnot, but isn't that covered enough with promos?? Plus, 1/2 the time, there's always 1 person missing that's in the stupid talent opens that are on vacay and whatnot... All of the stations here dumped that tradition n the mid 2000s Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151399 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabceyewitness 818 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I mean I get stations wanting to have talent opens and whatnot, but isn't that covered enough with promos?? Plus, 1/2 the time, there's always 1 person missing that's in the stupid talent opens that are on vacay and whatnot... All of the stations here dumped that tradition n the mid 2000s Depends on the market and station and how much traction talent names have with viewers. For WABC, at least, they must have research showing that a large number of viewers identify with their talent and that it benefits them to keep reinforcing it. As for not having it at 5 and 11pm, perhaps the research shows that viewers want to get to the news right away... Which, as you can see by WABC's new 5 and 11pm format, they do just that. They skip even the talent introducing themselves and, in many cases, the first person you see is the lead reporter. On a recent 5pm broadcast, the anchors were not seen on screen until 5:03pm, about 6 minutes into the newscast. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brain 81 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 They look gorgeous. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCirq 148 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Depends on the market and station and how much traction talent names have with viewers. For WABC, at least, they must have research showing that a large number of viewers identify with their talent and that it benefits them to keep reinforcing it. As for not having it at 5 and 11pm, perhaps the research shows that viewers want to get to the news right away... Which, as you can see by WABC's new 5 and 11pm format, they do just that. They skip even the talent introducing themselves and, in many cases, the first person you see is the lead reporter. On a recent 5pm broadcast, the anchors were not seen on screen until 5:03pm, about 6 minutes into the newscast. Maybe. Or maybe they haven't had the chance to shoot Diane/Sade and Bill's intro in time for the new graphics.... Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wabceyewitness 818 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 Maybe. Or maybe they haven't had the chance to shoot Diane/Sade and Bill's intro in time for the new graphics.... No, they shot them. The 5pm open was on the WABC Vimeo account before being made private. Bill is already in the 6pm open. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 941 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 I mean I get stations wanting to have talent opens and whatnot, but isn't that covered enough with promos?? Plus, 1/2 the time, there's always 1 person missing that's in the stupid talent opens that are on vacay and whatnot... All of the stations here dumped that tradition n the mid 2000s All of the stations only had it there in the mid 2000's... Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCirq 148 Posted May 17, 2016 Share Posted May 17, 2016 No, they shot them. The 5pm open was on the WABC Vimeo account before being made private. Bill is already in the 6pm open. I see. But I guess now with Rob leaving the station for Cleveland, I guess they can do a temp cold open and once they have a new sports anchor, it's back to the talents. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/15115-wabc-new-graphics/page/5/#findComment-151456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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