Recovering Producer 217 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 3 hours ago, MD TV said: I really doubt WATL wants to give up 90 minutes of programming with 100% local ad revenue. It's not like KRON, where they probably have no choice due to ownership. Not to mention Tegna not taking LIV golf on CW stations they own is almost certainly a sign the relationship between the two companies is probably messy already. 4 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4368 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 13 hours ago, Nelson R. said: Doesn’t sound like it’s a given that CBS will put the affiliation on WUPA. Braves, Hawks and the rumored new NHL team on WUPA? CBS and Gray (WPCH) will no doubt be bidding aggressively for all of those teams. Plus there’s nothing stopping CBS from moving an indie WUPA to a .2 (and buy WTBS-LD to put it on a ceremonial 6.1) if they do choose to take the network affiliation in-house. The possibilities of in-market realignments are endless tbh. If Gray winds up securing one or two teams, then they become a sports heavyweight and may want to make WANF (for lack of a better description) the WHDH for the South. CBS gets an O&O and possibly a sports-leaning indie that’ll be having Paramount’s content library opened up. This could be really fun to watch unfold. 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Action Newsroom 1279 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 What a development. I'm totally excited and so looking forward to what's to come here. It's gonna be quite a summer, fall and beyond to behold. 6 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie56 3303 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 (edited) Also, those new indies in CBS O&O markets may add additional newscasts beyond the hybrid NOW franchise. KPIX started a 7-9 expanded morning newscast for KBCW back in September, and WLNY and WPSG are simulcasting 7am streaming newscasts from WCBS and KYW, respectively. Edited May 7, 2023 by Georgie56 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlnewsfan03 78 Posted May 7, 2023 Share Posted May 7, 2023 It'll be interesting to see how those soon-to-be former CW affiliates that are CBS O&O will do as independent stations. It's been nearly 17 years since The WB and UPN went away when they merged to create The CW. I miss seeing those 2 networks as independent entities, and we all know they're not coming back. We can likely expect call letter changes for some of the affected stations to phase out any CW references. The next couple of months will be interesting. 2 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megatron81 258 Posted May 9, 2023 Share Posted May 9, 2023 It will be interesting where The CW goes in the non-Nexstar markets that CBS dropped The CW Detroit I wonder if it be on WDIV's subchannel as I know that is where LIV Golf is in Detroit was on WDIV's subchannel. MyNet TV in Philly is aired in the overnights that is what Nexstar does when WXSP airs a few Griffins hockey games on Fri night 1AM to 3AM. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frog 429 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Asked about last week’s long-expected news that eight CBS stations in major markets are ditching their CW affiliations and going independent, Sook said three Nexstar-owned stations in the same markets appear to be on track to become CW affiliates. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie56 3303 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 53 minutes ago, The Frog said: Asked about last week’s long-expected news that eight CBS stations in major markets are ditching their CW affiliations and going independent, Sook said three Nexstar-owned stations in the same markets appear to be on track to become CW affiliates. Translation: WPHL, WTTA, and KRON. 2 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnothy 43 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 Why does MyNetworkTV even still exist? I've never understood why stations brand themselves around a two hour block of reruns. Some stations even show the programming in the middle of the night and not during primetime. 8 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathannah 2428 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 22 minutes ago, johnothy said: Why does MyNetworkTV even still exist? I've never understood why stations brand themselves around a two hour block of reruns. Some stations even show the programming in the middle of the night and not during primetime. NBCU licenses all ten hours of the lineup in the form of reruns, so it's on them for their continued existence...despite indies themselves often programming two hours of Dateline on weeknights at the same time, and True Crime Network and ID carrying reruns, along with the Dateline Peacock channel itself! It borders on either non-sensical or roadblocking Dateline on everything they can. 2 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mre29 1519 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 1 hour ago, johnothy said: Why does MyNetworkTV even still exist? I've never understood why stations brand themselves around a two hour block of reruns. Some stations even show the programming in the middle of the night and not during primetime. And let's not forget the massive programming overlap with Ion. As for so many of them still having the MNTV-based branding.... well, that's just laziness on their part. But there might be something else. Way back in 2006 when the CW was announced and Fox announced MyNetworkTV in response, stations were rushing to affiliate with one or the other, including changing call letters (sometimes for the first time in decades) -- as if "independent" was a four-letter word. This was especially surprising as Fox was using MNTV to test a format that was new, at least here in the US: Telenovelas. Dramas that ran five nights a week for thirteen weeks, then ended; 65 episodes and out, replaced by another show of the same length. It didn't go well at all, and the telenovelas were reduced to two nights a week in March 2007 before being eliminated altogether. The switch from network to programming service came in 2009. All those stations that had rushed to affiliate with MNTV and change their call letters and branding probably felt foolish when the whole thing collapsed. Personally, I think Fox's announcement of the switch to a programming service should have included a request that affiliates move away from their MNTV-based branding. But the aforementioned fear of the word "independent" was likely still at play. 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVNewsLover 779 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 6 hours ago, Georgie56 said: Translation: WPHL, WTTA, and KRON. I wonder if WPHL will continue to outsource their 10pm news to WPVI. 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel2 978 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 2 hours ago, mre29 said: And let's not forget the massive programming overlap with Ion. As for so many of them still having the MNTV-based branding.... well, that's just laziness on their part. But there might be something else. Way back in 2006 when the CW was announced and Fox announced MyNetworkTV in response, stations were rushing to affiliate with one or the other, including changing call letters (sometimes for the first time in decades) -- as if "independent" was a four-letter word. This was especially surprising as Fox was using MNTV to test a format that was new, at least here in the US: Telenovelas. Dramas that ran five nights a week for thirteen weeks, then ended; 65 episodes and out, replaced by another show of the same length. It didn't go well at all, and the telenovelas were reduced to two nights a week in March 2007 before being eliminated altogether. The switch from network to programming service came in 2009. All those stations that had rushed to affiliate with MNTV and change their call letters and branding probably felt foolish when the whole thing collapsed. Personally, I think Fox's announcement of the switch to a programming service should have included a request that affiliates move away from their MNTV-based branding. But the aforementioned fear of the word "independent" was likely still at play. I mean, the creation of the WB and UPN was in large part driven by independents' fear of being outcompeted not only by network affiliates and the nascent Fox, but by cable networks... And considering how much bigger cable was in 2006 than it was in 1993, when those two networks officially threw down the gauntlet... 3 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.L. Hughes 889 Posted May 10, 2023 Share Posted May 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Georgie56 said: Translation: WPHL, WTTA, and KRON. A commenter on the Deadline article had the exact same thought: Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathannah 2428 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 4 hours ago, mre29 said: And let's not forget the massive programming overlap with Ion. As for so many of them still having the MNTV-based branding.... well, that's just laziness on their part. But there might be something else. Way back in 2006 when the CW was announced and Fox announced MyNetworkTV in response, stations were rushing to affiliate with one or the other, including changing call letters (sometimes for the first time in decades) -- as if "independent" was a four-letter word. Most of the lingering of 'My' just seems to be more around a united brand and schedule graphics imaging than anything else. With station autonomy in chains pretty much gone, having a fallback brand to group the low-tier stations is better than having to pay someone to create, then maintain, your own station's imaging (see Sinclair's rough Raleigh-Durham duopoly). WVTV tried to go with "Super 18" again for a couple years, but eventually fell back to "CW 18" because Sinclair corporate wanted simple promos with the same design language across all their CW affils they could plug any channel number into. Then you have the HC2 stations that just fit MNTV in so Fox can get some revenue even if the station and subchannels around it are unmanaged and literal digital junk. If it was unprofitable it would have been gone a decade ago, but it seems to be worth it to grab some library content, pump out show promos to feed out and some blue JPEG/Adobe graphics, and call it a day. 2 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286380 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie56 3303 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 3 hours ago, TVNewsLover said: I wonder if WPHL will continue to outsource their 10pm news to WPVI. They should continue that. It‘s regularly beating WTXF’s 10pm in the ratings. 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breaking News 826 Posted May 11, 2023 Share Posted May 11, 2023 I do wonder if CBS would sell WTOG once they end their CW affiliation. Also would Scripps, TEGNA or Hearst want to do combo station with their current stations in the market? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleWXYZ 180 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 I still feel WMYD will pick up CW programming. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycnewsjunkie 1439 Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 2 hours ago, CircleWXYZ said: I still feel WMYD will pick up CW programming. They’re definitely a reasonable landing spot, but if Scripps is serious about local sports programming, that could change things. If/when Bally collapses, WMYD would be an accessible station for Tigers, Pistons, and Red Wings games. I’m not sure they’d want to affiliate with the CW on a long term basis if that’s the route they want to take. 2 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megatron81 258 Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 WXSP just used the MYNet TV graphics with The X branding not My as they always called themselves The X the TV Station With Game was there slogan when they were a UPN station. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie56 3303 Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 (edited) This could be a glimpse at KMAX’s post-CW life. Edited May 29, 2023 by Georgie56 3 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286982 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVNewsLover 779 Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Georgie56 said: This could be a glimpse at KMAX’s post-CW life. KYW plays this or a similar video every morning before their newscast, and they’ve been doing so for a while. 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breaking News 826 Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 On 5/15/2023 at 2:09 PM, CircleWXYZ said: I still feel WMYD will pick up CW programming. I thought so too, but What you think of WADL selling to Nexstar and becoming the new home to CW? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286986 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam MadMan 285 Posted May 29, 2023 Share Posted May 29, 2023 8 hours ago, TVNewsLover said: KYW plays this or a similar video every morning before their newscast, and they’ve been doing so for a while. I think he was referring to the logo at the end. A pretty generic logo IMO, but that's apparently what they're going for this September. I expect the logos for the other seven stations to look more or less the same. 5 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-286990 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffrey 860 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 While the call-letters-in-a-box logo could very well be the new look, it's also possible that this is just a placeholder and gives them a few months to come up with something else. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/4/#findComment-287036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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