ABC 7 Denver 1562 Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 Has anyone really tied graphics directly to ratings and success/ failure? I'm talking actual documented evidence. Exactly! None. Larry Potash brought up that point recently about the new look at WFXT, here. The ultimate issue is that all of northern Colorado and northeastern Colorado are covered by translator from the Denver stations, but they get NO reporting about events in those areas (except the occasional snow storm). My biggest complaint about these recent changes has been the new name 'Denver 7' because it's excluding such a large swath of our market! I want to see Loveland, Greeley, Fort Collins and all of the other towns within northern Colorado and northeastern Colorado become their own market, but knowing that won't happen, KMGH, should call itself 7News or ABC 7 and open a hefty news bureau to expand their coverage in the part of Colorado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4225 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Has anyone really tied graphics directly to ratings and success/ failure? I'm talking actual documented evidence. The in-house graphics packages WKBW had to use from 2008 through 2014 were symptomatic of Granite's utter cheapness and overall disinvestment in the station. Remember that Granite let go of a good amount of talent, replaced syndicated programming with infomercials, and gave up Oprah, WoF and Jeopardy! in the span of a few years. What had been a market leader was now reduced to a reclamation project for Scripps. It is very possible that a bad on-air appearance can portend ownership, management or infrastructure issues at a station. Unless you're WJZ, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 846 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 It's a visual medium... A nicer look is always better than something that looks like it came from 1985's cable access programming... It probably does influence viewership to an extent. But if the station can't choose a good look it probably already couldn't do much else right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
groupwfan 95 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Oh boy, FYI, 'MGH used to be with The Eye before going with The Alphabet Network back in '95... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Block 1489 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 The horndog windbag Lieberman is writing that investigative reporter Tony Kovaleski is coming back to KMGH. If that's true, perhaps that's a sign of them trying to shore up their hard news again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caliwxdude 252 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 The horndog windbag Lieberman is writing that investigative reporter Tony Kovaleski is coming back to KMGH. If that's true, perhaps that's a sign of them trying to shore up their hard news again. TVSpy has it, so I'd say it's true: http://www.adweek.com/tvspy/tony-kovaleski-returns-to-denver/158607 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eat News 4738 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 The horndog windbag Lieberman is writing that investigative reporter Tony Kovaleski is coming back to KMGH. If that's true, perhaps that's a sign of them trying to shore up their hard news again. No... It just shows that Tony Kovaleski is trying to distance himself from Rich Lieberman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1562 Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 Oh boy, FYI, 'MGH used to be with The Eye before going with The Alphabet Network back in '95... Yeah. That was a result of the New World-Fox merger. KCNC changed from an NBC O&O to CBS O&O, KUSA became the NBC affiliate, trading ABC to KMGH. No... It just shows that Tony Kovaleski is trying to distance himself from Rich Lieberman. Kovaleski is returning to lead the investigative reporter training division for the entire Scripps group as well as duties on 7. Also, the new open! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weeters 1812 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 That open looks more like it should be coming from market 177, not market 17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ns8401 846 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 That open looks more like it should be coming from market 177, not market 17. They wouldn't let them have a unique open just cause.... It looks like a test of market customization and maybe what an in house graphical look might be... I would not be surprised if other Scripps stations at some point follow suit. It looks better than the V2 graphics, not great but better. V2 is an incomplete package. At least it's perfectly horizontal and not bending and twisting in a hard to read way with horrifying orange. Scripps is big enough now that they might be able to loosen up a little. Maybe this has something to do with their new VP of News wanting to change things in the group or something. It seems something larger is at work here. Interesting that Scripps has Bill Ratner doing a VO on one of its stations... I thought they cut ties with him in favor of Rich Van Slyke and other cheap VO's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oklahomanewsman 210 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Exactly! None. Larry Potash brought up that point recently about the new look at WFXT, here. The ultimate issue is that all of northern Colorado and northeastern Colorado are covered by translator from the Denver stations, but they get NO reporting about events in those areas (except the occasional snow storm). My biggest complaint about these recent changes has been the new name 'Denver 7' because it's excluding such a large swath of our market! I want to see Loveland, Greeley, Fort Collins and all of the other towns within northern Colorado and northeastern Colorado become their own market, but knowing that won't happen, KMGH, should call itself 7News or ABC 7 and open a hefty news bureau to expand their coverage in the part of Colorado. Agreed 110% that's what I've been saying just tack on the "ABC" name to the "7 News" moniker and call it a day. If I remember correctly KCNC tacked on the "CBS Eye" logo to the "News 4" Moniker and despite switching to "CBS 4" still kept the "News 4" name in the early 2000s despite CBS pushing their O&Os to use the "CBS ##" moniker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1562 Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 That open looks more like it should be coming from market 177, not market 17. That is exactly word for word what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbnews 344 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 KMGH wasn't too bad to begin with. I kind of liked them. All these changes are making them worse, not better. The open sucks, but I like the music. If they wanted updates, they should have commisened Stephen Arnold Music for updates to iNERGY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oklahomanewsman 210 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 KMGH wasn't too bad to begin with. I kind of liked them. All these changes are making them worse, not better. The open sucks, but I like the music. If they wanted updates, they should have commisened Stephen Arnold Music for updates to iNERGY. When I saw the intro for KMGH it looked terrible imo this made KDVR's switch to "Fox 31 Denver" look good. That's how bad "Denver 7" is. I rather watch either KUSA or KCNC for news than KMGH or KDVR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardek1995 200 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 When I saw the intro for KMGH it looked terrible imo this made KDVR's switch to "Fox 31 Denver" look good. That's how bad "Denver 7" is. I rather watch either KUSA or KCNC for news than KMGH or KDVR In that case, both KDVR and KMGH suck equally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WXmanTim 88 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Yeah. That was a result of the New World-Fox merger. KCNC changed from an NBC O&O to CBS O&O, KUSA became the NBC affiliate, trading ABC to KMGH. Kovaleski is returning to lead the investigative reporter training division for the entire Scripps group as well as duties on 7. Also, the new open! No. It was the result of the CBS-Westinghouse deal that eventually culminated with the merger and station & signal swaps between NBC & CBS in Philadelphia, Denver & Miami with Salt Lake City thrown in for good measure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardek1995 200 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 No. It was the result of the CBS-Westinghouse deal that eventually culminated with the merger and station & signal swaps between NBC & CBS in Philadelphia, Denver & Miami with Salt Lake City thrown in for good measure Not to mention the deal with McGraw Hill (KMGH's former owner, hence the call letters KMGH) had to affiliate its stations with ABC (as did Scripps to keep the ABC affiliation with WXYZ which is still an ABC affiliate to this day). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
channel2 874 Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 What was wrong with the switch to "Fox 31 Denver"? It got them to stop using those knockoffs of the second-generation Fox O&O graphics and I'd take Koshiyama's music over the OSI theme any day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1562 Posted November 22, 2015 Author Share Posted November 22, 2015 In that case, both KDVR and KMGH suck equally. Actually KDVR is really good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABC 7 Denver 1562 Posted November 22, 2015 Author Share Posted November 22, 2015 No. It was the result of the CBS-Westinghouse deal that eventually culminated with the merger and station & signal swaps between NBC & CBS in Philadelphia, Denver & Miami with Salt Lake City thrown in for good measure That was a result of the New World-Fox merger. The 1994 United States broadcast television realignment consisted of a series of events, primarily affiliation switches between television stations, that resulted from a multimillion-dollar deal between the Fox Broadcasting Company (commonly known as simply Fox) and New World Communications, a media company that – through its broadcasting division – owned several VHF television stations affiliated with major networks, primarily CBS. The major impetus for the changes was to improve local coverage of the fledgling network's new National Football League television package. As a result of various other deals that followed as a result of the affiliation switches, most notably the buyout of CBS by Westinghouse, the switches constituted some of the most sweeping changes in American television history. As a result of this realignment, Fox ascended to the status of a major television network, comparable in influence to the Big Three television networks (CBS,NBC and ABC). Nearly 70 stations in 30 media markets throughout the United States changed affiliations starting in September 1994 and continuing through September 1996, which – along with the concurrent January 1995 launches of The WB Television Network (a joint venture between Time Warner, the Tribune Company and the network's founding chief executive officer, Jamie Kellner) and the United Paramount Network (UPN) (founded by Chris-Craft/United Television, through a programming partnership with Paramount Television), both of which affiliated with certain stations that lost their previous network partners through the various affiliation agreements – marked some of the most expansive changes in American television history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Muck 4225 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Yeah. That was a result of the New World-Fox merger. KCNC changed from an NBC O&O to CBS O&O, KUSA became the NBC affiliate, trading ABC to KMGH. No. It was the result of the CBS-Westinghouse deal that eventually culminated with the merger and station & signal swaps between NBC & CBS in Philadelphia, Denver & Miami with Salt Lake City thrown in for good measure Right events, wrong order. Here's what happened. 1) New World acquired SCI Communications (the majority of which were legacy Storer Broadcasting stations) from junk bonds financier George Gillette, followed by the purchase of the majority of Citicasters stations. 2) Fox outbids CBS for the rights to the NFC telecasts, as Laurence Tisch didn't take Fox as a serious threat and made a ridiculously low bid to renew the contract. 3) Fox purchases a 20% stake in New World, on the condition that the majority of the New World stations change their affiliation to Fox (KNSD and WVTM were not included, and were eventually spun off to NBC-LIN and NBC, respectively). 4) Scripps is courted by CBS to change WXYZ and WEWS's affiliations from ABC to CBS. In response, ABC made a group-wide pact with Scripps that renewed existing affiliations across the board, affiliated soon-to-be-former Fox affiliates WFTS and KXNV with ABC, and would change WMAR and WCPO's affiliations from CBS to ABC. 5) Westinghouse responds by cutting a group-wide affiliation pact with CBS to compensate for WJZ's soon-to-be-former ABC affiliation; this also included NBC affiliates WBZ and KYW. 6) As a condition of the Group W-CBS pact, CBS had to sell off their Philadelphia O&O WCAU. NBC won the bidding, but in order to escape significant tax penalties on either side, both networks agreed instead to a multi-station license-intellectual property trade: ** a) NBC traded KCNC, KUTV and the license and transmission facilities to channel 4 in Miami to CBS. ** b) In exchange, NBC received WCAU and the license and transmission facilities to channel 6 in Miami from CBS. 7) Fox buys New World outright (after buying WBRC and WGHP first through separate transactions), then follows up with a minority stake in Savoy Broadcasting, forcing WVUE, WALA, WLUK and KHON to all affiliate with Fox. 8) Westinghouse buys out CBS, bringing the Tisch era to a merciful era. That's it in a nutshell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24994J 5280 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Right events, wrong order. Here's what happened. 1) New World acquired SCI Communications (the majority of which were legacy Storer Broadcasting stations) from junk bonds financier George Gillette, followed by the purchase of the majority of Citicasters stations. 2) Fox outbids CBS for the rights to the NFC telecasts, as Laurence Tisch didn't take Fox as a serious threat and made a ridiculously low bid to renew the contract. 3) Fox purchases a 20% stake in New World, on the condition that the majority of the New World stations change their affiliation to Fox (KNSD and WVTM were not included, and were eventually spun off to NBC-LIN and NBC, respectively). 4) Scripps is courted by CBS to change WXYZ and WEWS's affiliations from ABC to CBS. In response, ABC made a group-wide pact with Scripps that renewed existing affiliations across the board, affiliated soon-to-be-former Fox affiliates WFTS and KXNV with ABC, and would change WMAR and WCPO's affiliations from CBS to ABC. 5) Westinghouse responds by cutting a group-wide affiliation pact with CBS to compensate for WJZ's soon-to-be-former ABC affiliation; this also included NBC affiliates WBZ and KYW. 6) As a condition of the Group W-CBS pact, CBS had to sell off their Philadelphia O&O WCAU. NBC won the bidding, but in order to escape significant tax penalties on either side, both networks agreed instead to a multi-station license-intellectual property trade: ** a) NBC traded KCNC, KUTV and the license and transmission facilities to channel 4 in Miami to CBS. ** b) In exchange, NBC received WCAU and the license and transmission facilities to channel 6 in Miami from CBS. 7) Fox buys New World outright (after buying WBRC and WGHP first through separate transactions), then follows up with a minority stake in Savoy Broadcasting, forcing WVUE, WALA, WLUK and KHON to all affiliate with Fox. 8) Westinghouse buys out CBS, bringing the Tisch era to a merciful era. That's it in a nutshell. I've been here for 5 years and this is the best explanation I've seen for how all this went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEOMatrix 1295 Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 4) Scripps is courted by CBS to change WXYZ and WEWS's affiliations from ABC to CBS. In response, ABC made a group-wide pact with Scripps that renewed existing affiliations across the board, affiliated soon-to-be-former Fox affiliates WFTS and KXNV with ABC, and would change WMAR and WCPO's affiliations from NBC and CBS, respectively, to ABC. Fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oklahomanewsman 210 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 In that case, both KDVR and KMGH suck equally. Yeah KDVR should've stuck with just "Fox 31" I think Local TV ruined KDVR when they bought Channel 31 from Fox in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oklahomanewsman 210 Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 Right events, wrong order. Here's what happened. 1) New World acquired SCI Communications (the majority of which were legacy Storer Broadcasting stations) from junk bonds financier George Gillette, followed by the purchase of the majority of Citicasters stations. 2) Fox outbids CBS for the rights to the NFC telecasts, as Laurence Tisch didn't take Fox as a serious threat and made a ridiculously low bid to renew the contract. 3) Fox purchases a 20% stake in New World, on the condition that the majority of the New World stations change their affiliation to Fox (KNSD and WVTM were not included, and were eventually spun off to NBC-LIN and NBC, respectively). 4) Scripps is courted by CBS to change WXYZ and WEWS's affiliations from ABC to CBS. In response, ABC made a group-wide pact with Scripps that renewed existing affiliations across the board, affiliated soon-to-be-former Fox affiliates WFTS and KXNV with ABC, and would change WMAR and WCPO's affiliations from CBS to ABC. 5) Westinghouse responds by cutting a group-wide affiliation pact with CBS to compensate for WJZ's soon-to-be-former ABC affiliation; this also included NBC affiliates WBZ and KYW. 6) As a condition of the Group W-CBS pact, CBS had to sell off their Philadelphia O&O WCAU. NBC won the bidding, but in order to escape significant tax penalties on either side, both networks agreed instead to a multi-station license-intellectual property trade: ** a) NBC traded KCNC, KUTV and the license and transmission facilities to channel 4 in Miami to CBS. ** b) In exchange, NBC received WCAU and the license and transmission facilities to channel 6 in Miami from CBS. 7) Fox buys New World outright (after buying WBRC and WGHP first through separate transactions), then follows up with a minority stake in Savoy Broadcasting, forcing WVUE, WALA, WLUK and KHON to all affiliate with Fox. 8) Westinghouse buys out CBS, bringing the Tisch era to a merciful era. That's it in a nutshell. AND would that big affiliation switch ever occurred had CBS matched Fox's bid and kept the NFC Package? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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