tyrannical bastard 3948 Posted August 22, 2024 Share Posted August 22, 2024 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Frog said: Five More Nexstar Stations Becoming CW Affiliates Terre Haute is a pickup from WTHI which is an Allen Media station. Utica is a pickup from Heartland's last remaining station. The rest are stations that are either owned by Gray or tied to Gray through American Spirit. It's probably an expired agreement in the cases, but I have to wonder if Terre Haute's is due to Allen's current situation and if they in fact breached their agreement? Edited August 22, 2024 by tyrannical bastard Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frog 429 Posted August 22, 2024 Share Posted August 22, 2024 7 minutes ago, tyrannical bastard said: It's probably an expired agreement in the cases, but I have to wonder if Terre Haute's is due to Allen's current situation and if they in fact breached their agreement? B&C notes that in each market The CW is replacing a Scripps network. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3948 Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 9 hours ago, The Frog said: B&C notes that in each market The CW is replacing a Scripps network. Nexstar probably had Scripps channels that were expiring to make way for CW, but what about the other way around? Unless the CW agreement with the affected stations had expired or breached, that would be the only way that they could take it for themselves, right? Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frog 429 Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 21 hours ago, tyrannical bastard said: Nexstar probably had Scripps channels that were expiring to make way for CW, but what about the other way around? Unless the CW agreement with the affected stations had expired or breached, that would be the only way that they could take it for themselves, right? It could be a coincidence, but the timing seems related to Scripps separating from the network. 2 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3948 Posted August 24, 2024 Share Posted August 24, 2024 13 hours ago, The Frog said: It could be a coincidence, but the timing seems related to Scripps separating from the network. I see what you mean now, especially since Scripps dropped the CW from their stations. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathannah 2428 Posted August 24, 2024 Share Posted August 24, 2024 A reminder also that outside WMYD and standard renewals, Scripps never actually affiliated stations with the network itself on their own and most of the affiliations were outstanding from the Journal and Cordillera days. Kinda like Hearst's Fox refusal, except they didn't want to shake up the boat until the CW became more than a primetime-E/I only network that reduced their local programming time. And conversely, Nexstar affiliated stations with the Katz networks when they were independently owned, so both of these are just the two groups taking their toys they got from a friend and going home. 3 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie56 3303 Posted August 26, 2024 Share Posted August 26, 2024 Paramount is exploring a sale of all independent stations except KCAL. 4 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathannah 2428 Posted August 26, 2024 Share Posted August 26, 2024 Does it come with the golf club membership? But otherwise...who would buy any of these stations at all? You're not getting a studio or existing personnel from the other side of the duopoly, and have to build everything but the transmitter back up from scratch, and it would take nothing for CBS to just keep the networks and schedules on a subchannel. The only buyers are the HC2s and the new era of spectrum speculators who are still convinced from the 2010s folks like Michael Dell who insist that OTA Internet will be a thing. Also it looks like KCCW is an error unless PG wants to lose all its WCCO coverage in the middle of the state. 4 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3948 Posted August 26, 2024 Share Posted August 26, 2024 (edited) 15 minutes ago, mrschimpf said: Also it looks like KCCW is an error unless PG wants to lose all its WCCO coverage in the middle of the state. With cable and OTT, KCCW's presence may be minimal especially if the areas are covered by local translators that beam in the MSP stations to remote areas. WPKD is not one of the stations listed either. Since WPGH slacks in the market (thanks Sinclair!) WPKD fills a void with viable morning and prime time newscasts, and now the 8pm primetime newscast. KDKA has always been dominant and WPKD seems to extend it's dominance. Edited August 26, 2024 by tyrannical bastard 2 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299807 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodfreyGR 652 Posted August 26, 2024 Share Posted August 26, 2024 47 minutes ago, tyrannical bastard said: With cable and OTT, KCCW's presence may be minimal especially if the areas are covered by local translators that beam in the MSP stations to remote areas. KCCW makes things tricky/interesting for areas in central and northern MN- Where I grew up, for example, Cable companies carried KCCW and (then) KDLH for CBS. Walker was geographically closer to us, but we were in the Duluth DMA. Unscientific claim, but in parts of MN where both KCCW and KBJR (or KVLY in select Western parts of KCCW's range), I'd bet good money that more people turn to the KCCW feed (hence that whole "Minnesota's Most Watched" claim for all those years). 3 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newsdude 58 Posted August 26, 2024 Share Posted August 26, 2024 1 hour ago, tyrannical bastard said: With cable and OTT, KCCW's presence may be minimal especially if the areas are covered by local translators that beam in the MSP stations to remote areas. WPKD is not one of the stations listed either. Since WPGH slacks in the market (thanks Sinclair!) WPKD fills a void with viable morning and prime time newscasts, and now the 8pm primetime newscast. KDKA has always been dominant and WPKD seems to extend it's dominance. I wouldn't say "always been dominant." KDKA has been coasting on its call letters for years. Ever since people meters came into play, they've lost their edge -- WTAE and WPXI win other departs easily these days (KD is third place in the all-important demos at 4/5/6 -- linking below to ratings.) They have one of the best local news anchors in America in Ken Rice but surround him with middling 'talent' -- they're hiring reporters out of college now! And they have potential to do something with that 8pm show on KD+ but it's very much like the rest, just a lot of police blotter nonsense. https://triblive.com/aande/movies-tv/tv-talk-may-sweeps-ratings-released-star-trek-discovery-ends/ 3 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
newscopter7 232 Posted August 26, 2024 Share Posted August 26, 2024 1 hour ago, newsdude said: I wouldn't say "always been dominant." KDKA has been coasting on its call letters for years. Ever since people meters came into play, they've lost their edge -- WTAE and WPXI win other departs easily these days (KD is third place in the all-important demos at 4/5/6 -- linking below to ratings.) They have one of the best local news anchors in America in Ken Rice but surround him with middling 'talent' -- they're hiring reporters out of college now! And they have potential to do something with that 8pm show on KD+ but it's very much like the rest, just a lot of police blotter nonsense. https://triblive.com/aande/movies-tv/tv-talk-may-sweeps-ratings-released-star-trek-discovery-ends/ KDKA is a great example of the effect being a CBS O&O can have on a station. Dropping Susan Koeppen during the pandemic was a terrible move. WTAE deserves to be #1 in the ratings. They give a shit. KDKA and WPXI are coasting. 2 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjt24 313 Posted August 26, 2024 Share Posted August 26, 2024 20 minutes ago, newscopter7 said: WTAE deserves to be #1 in the ratings. They give a shit. KDKA and WPXI are coasting. Yeah WTAE does have a better news product these days, IMO. WPXI and KDKA are meh. The hires they've made over the last year or so have made a difference (especially the new weekend AM meteorologist and new sports anchor/reporter). 1 hour ago, newsdude said: They have one of the best local news anchors in America in Ken Rice but surround him with middling 'talent' -- they're hiring reporters out of college now! And they have potential to do something with that 8pm show on KD+ but it's very much like the rest, just a lot of police blotter nonsense. KDKA does have a lot of good on-air talent. They're lacking when it comes to their evening anchor lineup though. Yes at some point, they're going to move Mokay back to afternoons at 4pm with Josh Taylor, but from the way it looks, it hasn't happened yet. And to your point, hiring those right out of college doesn't look good. And I agree that the 8pm show does have potential. They just aren't using it to its full potential. 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYAZSporty 128 Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 6 hours ago, Georgie56 said: Paramount is exploring a sale of all independent stations except KCAL. If this sale goes ahead, I could see Cox Media Group wanting WUPA (Atlanta) to create a duopoly with WSB (ABC Atlanta) like they have in 3 other big markets in Charlotte, Jacksonville, & Orlando. 4 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmericanErrorist 148 Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 (edited) Nexstar would probably like to take WKBD and WBFS in order to shore up their scheduled-to-return CW affiliations, but they're capped right now. Edited August 27, 2024 by AmericanErrorist Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyrannical bastard 3948 Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 Graham and FOX are the only realistic buyers in Detroit since Scripps has 20. Gray could be a possibility as well if they want to run it out of one of their other nearby stations. Granite did the same thing with channel 20 and piped in news from Fort Wayne. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaZone4K 2172 Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 (edited) I wonder who'd take WLNY? General question, but if media companies across the board are struggling why does Paramount Global seem to be doing exceptionally bad? Edited August 27, 2024 by MediaZone4K 3 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganNewsGraphicsJunkie 915 Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 I swear to God Byron Allen better not make a move... But my spidey senses are tingling and I feel he is chomping at the bit at this news... 2 2 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankees4life 558 Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 18 hours ago, Georgie56 said: Paramount is exploring a sale of all independent stations except KCAL. They can explore all they want, I doubt they'll find any buyers. They're gonna have to eat them and make it work 3 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megatron81 258 Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 I was surprised that CBS wants to sell the duopoly's I'd get the indie TV stations that aren't CBS in the few markets in big cities. I always liked Erica Monkay from her days at WWMT was morning anchor and then moved up to main anchor at the station before leaving for her hometown in The Steel City. Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenShine_10 96 Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 1 hour ago, Megatron81 said: I was surprised that CBS wants to sell the duopoly's I'd get the indie TV stations that aren't CBS in the few markets in big cities. I always liked Erica Monkay from her days at WWMT was morning anchor and then moved up to main anchor at the station before leaving for her hometown in The Steel City. Same here, that was surprising. I figured the low hanging fruit would be the ones where CBS was on a separate affiliate (and they are worthless to Paramount). However, I thought the next ones to sell would be the smaller O&O's (i.e., outside the top 10 markets). 2 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MediaZone4K 2172 Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 (edited) *wrong thread...disregard. Edited August 28, 2024 by MediaZone4K Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveNews 372 Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 I'd imagine Cindy would also pick up either the 5pm or 6pm news when Maurice DuBois is fully immersed in his CBSEN duties. I don't think CBS looks fondly at paying a hefty salary for an anchor that has a single 30min show ::cough:: Dana Tyler ::cough:: 1 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mre29 1519 Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 14 hours ago, tyrannical bastard said: Graham and FOX are the only realistic buyers in Detroit since Scripps has 20. Meanwhile, I suppose the obvious buyer for WSBK in Boston would be NBC Universal as that would give WBTS/NBC 10 Boston a full-power home. I don't see Cox being interested in acquiring it for a duopoly with WFXT, Sunbeam already has a duopoly in WHDH and WLVI, and Hearst's WCVB is already partnered with WMUR. 3 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathannah 2428 Posted August 27, 2024 Share Posted August 27, 2024 18 minutes ago, mre29 said: Meanwhile, I suppose the obvious buyer for WSBK in Boston would be NBC Universal as that would give WBTS/NBC 10 Boston a full-power home. I don't see Cox being interested in acquiring it for a duopoly with WFXT, Sunbeam already has a duopoly in WHDH and WLVI, and Hearst's WCVB is already partnered with WMUR. Would they really do a third 'switch' in so many years though? They have a pretty cushy deal now where GBH does all their engineering and it really isn't worth all that effort and cost just for a channel number, and they and WNEU are on the same tower already, while WSBK has a weaker ERP. If anything the better deal here would be for PG to get a tax deduction to donate the WSBK license to GBH for $1, WGBX moves there, GBH sells 44 to NBC, they can finally pack the NBC/Telemundo suite of channels on there...which would leave WNEU the odd one out here. Weigel is a more realistic possibility especially with PG trying to get out of Start TV, so it could be a trade to get full-channel coverage of the Weigel nets. Anything but HC2 (Scripps, WRNN and Univision are also duoped and maxed out). 3 Link to comment https://localnewstalk.net/topic/19633-eight-cbs-stations-to-ditch-cw-and-go-independent-this-fall/page/18/#findComment-299843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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